Attention: the Jtest and EUtest are now available at GEDmatch. Please see the bottom of the post for more details.
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I recently learned that the new Ancestry Painting at 23andMe will include an Ashkenazi reference group. To be honest, I’m not sure there’s much value in using a genetically bottlenecked population of varied biogeographical origins as a reference in such things. Indeed, the Ashkenazi mainly descend from a few hundred founders, but carry Central European, Eastern European, Middle Eastern, African and probably many other admixtures, as evidenced by their genome-wide and uniparental markers.
That’s quite a problem, because due to their relative inbreeding, they produce strong ancestral clusters in many analyses, like in ADMIXTURE runs. However, these clusters are made up of allele frequencies from a wide range of sources and, paradoxically, it’s the relatively more outbred populations which contributed to the Ashkenazi gene pool at its formative stages that often end up showing Ashkenazi admixture in such tests, despite not having any. I've seen this happen regularly in my experiments with ADMIXTURE and STRUCTURE, and I'm pretty sure I could find an example in a peer reviewed study if I tried.
That’s just how things work with the algorithms we have available to run these sorts of tests. Nevertheless, since 23andMe is incorporating an Ashkenazi cluster into its new painting, I thought I’d try and come up with an Ashkenazi ancestry test to perhaps get a rough idea of what we might expect. I'm using ADMIXTURE in supervised mode, and basically trying to recreate clusters that have shown up in a variety of fine-scale analyses, including my ChromoPainter run of Northern European samples. It’s still a work in progress, but below are links to files that many of you might find useful..
Jtest K14 files
Jtest averages for selected populations
EUtest K13 files
EUtest averages for selected populations
The Jtest folder contains files that can be used to make an Ashkenazi ancestry test/chromosome painting with 14 Eurasian and African clusters. The EUtest folder contains the same files, except that the Ashkenazi allele frequencies have been removed. It’s useful to cross check results from both tests, mainly to see what’s hiding under the Ashkenazi admixture if it shows up in the Jtest.
Based on a few test runs today, I’d say that the noise level for the continental clusters is much less than 1%. But it rises to a few per cent for the intra-West Eurasian clusters. In other words, if you’re European, then you might score something like 0.02% in the Sub-Saharan cluster, which basically means 0%. However, you might get around 2% in the Middle Eastern cluster, even though you’re from Central Europe, and you don’t have any recent Middle Eastern ancestry. You can blame various prehistoric and historic migrations into Europe for these seemingly quirky results, and also the fact that Mesolithic Europeans were significantly Eurasian (i.e. Siberian, Amerindian and South Asian-like).
The Ashkenazi cluster is very similar to the Middle Eastern cluster in that regard. So anyone who gets an Ashkenazi score of around 2-3% either has very distant Jewish ancestry or, more likely, none at all. However, those who show more than 25% membership in that cluster are almost certainly of fully Ashkenazi ancestry, and their genomes peppered with Ashkenazi-specific chromosomal segments.
Wow, there’s really not much difference between 2% and 25%, you might say. In fact, there is if we say there is. As always, the main thing to remember is that these clusters don’t really exist, because genetic variation is clinal, so the cluster names are basically arbitrary and it’s always the relative results that matter. That’s why to really understand what your scores mean, you need to compare them with those of other users.
Obviously, it's best to compare with people from the same ethnic and/or regional groups. If the Ashkenazi + East Med scores look relatively inflated, that's a sign of recent Ashkenazi ancestry.
Feel free to use the files above for anything you want, except commercial stuff. Please note, I make no guarantees that they’ll provide accurate results for everyone. I might update this post early next week with new and/or additional files and more tips.
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Update 6/10/2012: The Jtest K14 and EUtest K13 will soon be available at GEDmatch, accompanied by an "Oracle" population matching analysis and maybe even a 3D genetic map. If all goes to plan, the population matching test should be able to give a decisive yay or nay to anyone wondering whether they have recent Ashkenazi ancestry.
By the way, below is a PCA based on the Jtest averages for selected populations. It was produced by one of my project members so that we could check the reliability of the 14 "ancestral" components. The samples were classified into clusters based on their highest peaking component. So, for instance, the Scots are in the light blue Atlantic cluster, along with French Basques, because the Atlantic component dominates in both groups. However, overall, they're more similar to other samples than to each other.
As per above, the plan is that GEDmatch will soon offer a 3D genetic map based on the loadings from this PCA analysis.
Update 11/10/2012: The Jtest and EUtest are now on offer at GEDmatch. The quickest way to get there is via this link to the Ad-Mix page. Then, from the drop down menus, choose Eurogenes, followed by Jtest.
First run the Admix test to check whether your Ashkenazi admixture is significantly higher than expected for your part of the world (as per above, Jtest averages for selected populations are available here). Then move on to the Oracle analysis by pressing the relevant button at the bottom of the page.
If your Ashkenazi admixture is clearly elevated, and the top 20 single and/or mixed mode Oracle results show AJ (Ashkenazi Jews) as one of your potential matches, then it’s likely you have recent Ashkenazi ancestry.
Whether that’s the case or not, you can then move on to the Chromosome Painting feature to see where the potential Ashkenazi admixture is located in your genome. It’s useful to cross check the results with those from the Ancestry Finder at 23andMe to assess their accuracy.
As already mentioned, the EUtest is exactly the same as the Jtest, but with the Ashkenazi allele frequencies taken out. You can use this option to see what’s hiding under your Ashkenazi admixture in the Jtest. To compare your results with those of selected populations from Europe, Asia and Africa, refer to the EUtest averages sheet.
Please note: it's important to interpret the results with insight. You need to learn how the system works, pay attention to the types of populations that appear in your results, consider carefully why they might be paired with other populations, and of course study the statistics in detail. Expecting a bullseye classification at the top of the Oracle list is likely to lead to major disappointment for many people, simply because I don't have enough samples to represent all of the substructures that exist around the world, especially within countries.
I’ll try and update both tests in a few weeks, after seeing how successful the whole set up is at predicting Ashkenazi admixture and locating it in the genome. One of the main goals will be to improve the accuracy of the Oracle analysis for everyone, including New World people with Amerindian admixture.
Update 21/10/2012: Below are gradient maps of a few of the ancestral clusters from the Jtest, courtesy of project member FR7.
Update 4/12/2012: The Jtest and EUtest at GEDmatch now include a new tool called the 4-Ancestors Oracle (aka. Oracle-4), as well as the 3D PCAs I promised earlier. Oracle-4 will attempt to pinpoint your ethnic group of origin, and then also work out the most likely combinations of two, three and four ancestral populations which make up your genome. However, this doesn't mean the results will actually show your ethnic group, or those of your parents (in dual mode) or grandparents (4-way mode). They might for many people, but for others they'll reflect the best possible outcomes from the reference samples available.
Enjoy, and feel free to give feedback to John at GEDmatch if you think it might be useful (but please don't spam his account).



Thanx! How do we run those calculators? There are no .par files.
ReplyDeleteAwesome! The files worked great for me. Based on my documented ancestry, I would be about 6.25% Sephardi Jew. The Jtest indicated 3.59% Ashkenazim, and the EUtest shifted most of this into East_Med, West_Asian, and Middle_Eastern.
ReplyDeleteWould it be possible to filter out the Ashkenazi segments, masking the rest, and then do the EUTest painting on just those? In other words, a "two-stage test" which shows what lies behind the Ashkenazi segments automatically?
ReplyDeleteAlso, perhaps you can phase the Ashkenazi segments using FastIBD, then identify them using phased sequences as either haploid, compound heterozygous, or homozygous Ashkenazi segments?
Davidski should be able to run his composite AJ specimen through the EUtest to tell us that. I've posted the composition of my AJ portion (which is only 7%, and not genealogically attested, btw) at 23andme. I'll do it here:
Delete2% SOUTH_BALTIC
7% EAST_EURO
6% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO
14% ATLANTIC
13% WEST_MED
25% EAST_MED
16% WEST_ASIAN
18% MIDDLE_EASTERN
David La Tour, can you state similarly where your 3.59% went? I'd like to see if your proportions are similar. Ted, how about you? You have a lot more AJ to distribute. What percentage did you get from Jtest?
^ OK, that sounds a bit complicated. But I have a feeling that if you can get enough people to use these tests, and then put together an oracle type application from ethnic averages, then you'd have a very precise Ashkenazim test for everyone.
ReplyDeleteBTW, new calc files...
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B9o3EYTdM8lQNnRNamU5cVhrTW8
Polako,
DeleteI get the following messaage: 14 ancestral populations
159620 total SNPs
At line 121 of file DIYDodecad.f90 (Unit 30 "Jtest.14.F")
Traceback: not available, compile with -ftrace=frame or -ftrace=full
Fortran runtime error: End of file
Warning message:
running command 'DIYDodecadWin jtest.par' had status 2
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQQ21IeTZJQ2c5eVk/edit
When I put files above everything works ok, but not with the new ones.
in the Jtest I would like please to know what is IE , GR , GE ?
DeleteWill
I always use official codes for nations, so IE = Ireland, GR = Greece, and GE = Georgia.
Deletethank you so about the Jtest in the Atzmon et al. and Behar et al. studies the Jewish populations are much more proportionately sampled, so this is probably why in those studies West Eurasian Jews (Ashkenazim or not) appear fully aligned in the European-Middle Eastern genetic continuum in all analysis. If you took "Ashk SNPs" I mean the people who are tested in 23 andMe or FTDNA that you used for that test are of course "fully Ashkenazim" in the Jtest .
Delete^ It'll be available at GEDmatch soon, with population matching and maybe a 3D PCA plot.
ReplyDeleteHad a few issues doing it caused by having too many calculators in the same R directory most likely. Forced me to sort that out. My guess is that 3.33% does represent AJ ancestry and not high level noise.
ReplyDeleteThe West Asian? well perhaps there was a real wanderer in the family....
Jtest
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14.07% SOUTH_BALTIC
9.21% EAST_EURO
23.97% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO
30.16% ATLANTIC
11.85% WEST_MED
3.33% ASHKENAZIM
2.13% EAST_MED
5.07% WEST_ASIAN
0.03% MIDDLE_EASTERN
0.18% SOUTH_ASIAN
0.00% EAST_AFRICAN
0.00% EAST_ASIAN
0.00% SIBERIAN
0.00% WEST_AFRICAN
EUtest
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14.14% SOUTH_BALTIC
9.43% EAST_EURO
24.18% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO
30.61% ATLANTIC
12.35% WEST_MED
3.15% EAST_MED
5.64% WEST_ASIAN
0.24% MIDDLE_EASTERN
0.26% SOUTH_ASIAN
0.00% EAST_AFRICAN
0.00% EAST_ASIAN
0.00% SIBERIAN
0.00% WEST_AFRICAN
I have 3 British/Irish grandparents, and 1 Chinese grandparent. The West Asian component always seems to be there in most British Isles based populations, so I assume this is part of British side. I attribute Siberian, South Asian and East Asian to the Chinese grandparent, while West Asian to the European, but until I see the populations this is only an assumption.
ReplyDeleteMy results below:
EUTEST
SOUTH_BALTIC 8.57%
EAST_EURO 9.09%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 20.50%
ATLANTIC 23.63%
WEST_MED 8.80%
EAST_MED 0.05%
WEST_ASIAN 6.27%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.00%
SOUTH_ASIAN 3.41%
EAST_AFRICAN 0.00%
EAST_ASIAN 19.68%
SIBERIAN 0.00%
WEST_AFRICAN 0.00%
JTEST
SOUTH_BALTIC 8.54%
EAST_EURO 8.91%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 20.31%
ATLANTIC 23.25%
WEST_MED 8.27%
ASHKENAZIM 2.15%
EAST_MED 0.03%
WEST_ASIAN 5.55%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.00%
SOUTH_ASIAN 3.31%
EAST_AFRICAN 0.00%
EAST_ASIAN 19.66%
SIBERIAN 0.01%
WEST_AFRICAN 0.00%
A friend of mine has significantly higher Ashkenazim in the JTEST compared to the average of all related populations, but no Ashkenazi as proven by AF with not a single Ashkenazi relative. On the other hand some pals with known Ashkenazi admixture have no higher Ashkenazim in this test.
ReplyDelete^ Well, that's just one part of the test. The other parts he has to check are the population matching and chromosome painting.
ReplyDeleteWe looked at that too, but it doesn't change the result, which is somewhat odd. Eastmed is lower than the average by the way.
ReplyDeleteIn Oracle mixed mode, the first match is a related population with 12,3 Ashkenazi.
The other population matches are not exact, but still make sense.
this is my jtest results
ReplyDeleteSOUTH_BALTIC 1.59%
EAST_EURO 1.57%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 5.49%
ATLANTIC 6.26%
WEST_MED 14.54%
ASHKENAZIM 18.39%
EAST_MED 26.23%
WEST_ASIAN 9.92%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 14.45%
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN 0.76%
EAST_ASIAN 0.05%
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN 0.75%
is this mean i'm half ashkenazi in reality?(i'm fully jewish but not fully ashkenazi)
What's the difference between East Med, West Asian and Middle Eastern ?
ReplyDeleteEast Med = Eastern Mediterranean coastal areas, West Asian = Caucasus, Middle Eastern = Arabian Peninsula.
ReplyDeleteWhat does each component represent? Is South Baltic Lithuanian while East Euro is Ukraine? What is North Central Euro and Atlantic? If that makes sense. Thanks!
ReplyDelete^ The ethnic averages and PCA plot above will tell you what the components represent.
ReplyDeleteYour Jtest tool was uncannily accurate for me. I have no known Jewish ancestry, but do have 7 part-Jewish matches in 23andme's Ancestry Finder feature. Six of these had only one Ashkenazi blue bar, with one having two blue bars. Thus 8 out of 28 grandparents were Ashkenazi. So, taking the fraction 8/28 and multiplying it by the number of part-Jewish matches (7), should roughly correspond to the number of these individuals who show light green in their chromosone painting. Amazingly 8/28 times 7 is exactly 2, and exactly 2 of my 7, part-Ashkenazi, matches show light green at their chromosone positions.
ReplyDeleteI'm wondering now if other chromosone regions that show light green, might happen to be people who are unaware of Ashkenazi heritage, or are Ashkenazi's who didn't fill out their ancestry forms. I have one individual whose surname is Levy, with an old testament first name, which I won't mention for his privacy. I'm going to check if he has any light green at his chromosone position. I also have at least a dozen Ashkenazi-specific, or common, haplotypes matches, so those will be checked also.
Good ! I am in the same case so what is the answer ? your question is do you have Jewish ancestry ? may be thats possible ?
ReplyDeleteMy dad is Irish, my mom is Polish, possible distant ASHKENAZI not sure.
ReplyDeletePopulation Percent
1 ATLANTIC 24.23
2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 21.71
3 SOUTH_BALTIC 20.73
4 EAST_EURO 13.22
5 WEST_MED 10.47
6 EAST_MED 3.98
7 ASHKENAZI 3.01
8 WEST_ASIAN 2.41
9 SIBERIAN 0.25
Very cool, thank you so much for doing this. Before doing my test (23andme) I thought I was 100% Ashkenazi (with obvious admixture from more than a few generations ago since I have light skin and blue/green eyes). Then I discovered my mtDNA is a Sephardic cluster (U6a7a1b), I'm a carrier for a disease that points to being Sephardic, and my various admixture tests come up with lots of Middle-Eastern/West Asia/Mediterranean/Sephardic/etc results. I love it.
ReplyDeleteMy jtest results are:
SOUTH_BALTIC 5.16%
EAST_EURO 2.98%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 6.84%
ATLANTIC 6.47%
WEST_MED 8.36%
ASHKENAZI 31.57%
EAST_MED 21.62%
WEST_ASIAN 6.32%
MIDDLE_EASTERN 9.51%
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.06%
EAST_AFRICAN 0.49%
EAST_ASIAN 0.62%
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN -
My mom's side is Slovakian (Hungarian) and my dad's is Polish and Belorussian. Based on your test, I'm pretty clearly Jewish all around, which was what I assumed. I'm still trying to figure out specific locations and also how deep the Sephardic goes. It doesn't seem that it's just the maternal line back thousands of years, but it must be a pretty significant portion of my great-grandma's heritage (as far back as I can trace on her line...her surname is standard Ashkenazi I think). My various Oracle results (which I don't know how to interpret yet) are a mix of Sephardic and Ashkenazi. (Hints on where to go next are welcome.)
I'm new at this so please bear with me. I know you warn to interpret the results with insight and to learn how the system works. I've tried searching for some type of description that will help me to interpret the results from the EUTest I've done on my adopted daughter's data (orig. from 23&Me) but can't seem to find the right page. I'm just looking for something to tell me what the difference is between looking at the results of the Single Population Sharing and the Mixed Population Sharing and what units the Distance is given in (i.e. generations?). If there is a page I can access and read for myself, could someone point me in the right direction? Thanks!
ReplyDelete^ The actual distance isn't very important. The main thing to look at are the 3-4 populations at the top in the single pop mode, provided your daughter isn't of recently mixed origin. This will tell you her general geographic origins, and perhaps even very specific ethnic origins if the right reference group happens to be available.
ReplyDeleteHowever, if she's recently mixed, then the mixed pop mode is the one to focus on.
You can get an idea of whether she's of recently mixed origin by running my SPA model files. See here...
http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/spatial-ancestry-analysis-spa-model.html
Recently mixed people show that they're mixed very clearly in the dual ancestry mode.
The only other advice I can give is for you to get used to using all the various tools, like SPA and the stuff at GEDmatch and 23andMe, and cross check all the results. After a while you'll be able to hone in on her ancestry with quite a bit of precision, unless she's a really complex mix of exotic populations that are still very poorly sampled.
First, thank you for your clear and concise explanations.
ReplyDeleteNext, I wanted to let you know I think the J test comes closer to my known and professed ancestry than other tests previously used. With the exception of Ashkenazi, which comes at about 2-3% for me, husband and dad. (none professed or previously expected, though family history suggests sympathies and sympathetic groups).
Also, what I don't get is the differences between your results and Dodecad. Dodecad K7b has me at about 8-10% Arab....Palestinian, Bedouin, Jordanian.....Harappa world suggested about that same amount as Ashkenazy, Cypriot, etc.
But, you say 0% middle eastern. Can you explain this difference? Thanks,
Heather
The Middle Eastern clusters in the different ancestry projects aren't the same clusters, because they're made up of somewhat different allele frequencies. But they're similar, based on similar samples and peaking in about the same region of the world.
ReplyDeleteSo that's one potential reason for the discrepancies you're seeing. Another might be what I call the "Calculator Effect". This skews the results of people who aren't project members of Dodecad, Harappa etc. but it's not an issue with the Jtest and EUtest, because of the way these analyses were designed. In other words, you don't have to be a Eurogenes project member to get accurate results with the Jtest and EUtest.
Davidski,
ReplyDeleteMy Jtest results indicate my Ashkenazi score is 7.89%, which is higher than the average S. Italians and North Africans get on this test. My East Med is 8.61% and my Middle Eastern is 7.42%. However, my Caucasus or West Asian is only 0.24%. I do not have any known AJ ancestry. I do have Iberian, Canarian and French as my main ancestral sources. My question is: Can my results be tied to those population groups or do they indicate admixture from another population besides those mentioned? I do not have an AJ pop. listed here. I do get Algeria four times in the Mixed Mode, along with Morocco and Mozabite Berber, three times each. Only on the Eutest do I get AJ at #20, single pop. list.
My top, single populations for both tests are Portugal, Spain, North Italian, French and Tuscan.
I'm Norwegian,but my father is 25% Finn.
ReplyDeleteI got 6.65% West Asian, isnt that quite high for being Norwegian?
My father(with some finnish and lapp ancestry got 3.63% West Asian).
So my father: 3.63% West Asian
Me: 6.65% West Asian
That means my mother likely got even more west-asian admixture... how normal is this for being Norwegian?
That's very unusual for a Norwegian, because the national average is much lower. The averages are listed below - look for NO...
Deletehttps://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQOTJFaUlKWkd5TW8/edit?authkey=CO6P06UH&authkey=CO6P06UH
But I think you probably made a mistake and confused your West Med score for your West Asian score. Or perhaps you're referring to a different test? If you really do have over 6% of West Asian in the Jtest, then I'd say your mother isn't Norwegian.
I did one mistake: I used the EUTest and not JTest.
DeleteWith the JTest, a tiny bit of the west-asian is considered ashkenazi. Not much though.
With the JTest it dropped just right below 6%.
My results:
SOUTH_BALTIC 16.54%
EAST_EURO 14.51%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 30.29%
ATLANTIC 23.38%
WEST_MED 6.21%
ASHKENAZI 1.98%
EAST_MED -
WEST_ASIAN 5.95%
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN 1.15%
WEST_AFRICAN -
My dads results: (partly Finn & lapp)
SOUTH_BALTIC 19.26%
EAST_EURO 14.27%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 26.65%
ATLANTIC 22.59%
WEST_MED 7.64%
ASHKENAZI 2.78%
EAST_MED 0.06%
WEST_ASIAN 3.15%
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.70%
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN 2.89%
WEST_AFRICAN -
That's still very high for a Norwegian, and a couple per cent higher than in Orcadians, who have the highest level of this component in Northern Europe.
DeleteIf your mother is an average Norwegian, then maybe you inherited large half-segments of it from each parent, so that the combined total for you is higher than for each of your parents?
Possibly. I have ordered a test for my mom as well, but it's taking forever. But I'll see when it's done.
DeleteThe oracle puts me at:
95.3% South_&_Central_Swedish + 4.7% Lezgin @ 2.72
96.3% South_&_Central_Swedish + 3.7% GE @ 2.8
94.9% NO + 5.1% Lezgin @ 2.91
96.1% NO + 3.9% GE @ 3.04
97.2% South_&_Central_Swedish + 2.8% IR @ 3.22
97% South_&_Central_Swedish + 3% TR @ 3.23
97.3% South_&_Central_Swedish + 2.7% Kurdish @ 3.24
97.5% South_&_Central_Swedish + 2.5% Armenian @ 3.25
97.7% South_&_Central_Swedish + 2.3% Kalash @ 3.27
97.9% South_&_Central_Swedish + 2.1% KZ @ 3.3
97.9% South_&_Central_Swedish + 2.1% Balochi @ 3.31
I assume GE is Georgian, IR is Iranian and TR are Turkish?
There is a pattern here, as I get these kind of results in almost all the admixture calculators. Very often different weird caucasian ethnicities like Lezgin, Adyghe, Kalash, Georgian, Avars, Tabasarans, Ingush etc.
However, I wonder if this is actually an indication of ancestra from that area, or if it's just a natural variation above the normal Norwegian average
I tried the K36 calculator, and it put me at:
Delete22.0% Fennoscandian
18.86% North sea
15.02% North_Atlantic
8.34% French
7.94% East_Central_Euro
7.38% Iberian
7.20% Eastern Euro
6.38% North_Caucasian
5.19% Central_Euro
1.07% Basque
0.41% Amerindian
0.19% Italian
0.01% South_Central_Asian
Note the high North_Caucasian percentage...I think it match the west-asian component in EU/JTest...but from what I've seen, British and Orcadians score significantly less in Northern-caucasus than me
What software was used to make these maps?
ReplyDeleteI have no idea, because FR7 (Loxias at ABF) made them. You can try and PM him at ABF, or at 23andMe, but I think he's on holidays in Europe at the moment.
DeleteHello, I am reunionese (french island in the Indian Ocean Reunion), mainly descendants from french, indo-portuguese (mix of portuguese + indian/north indian), malagasy (mix of african + asians). We are the result of 350 years of admixing.
ReplyDeleteHere are my results
Jtest EUtest
SOUTH_BALTIC 6.44 6.50 -0.06
EAST_EURO 4.75 5.04 -0.29
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 10.77 11.11 -0.34
ATLANTIC 17.37 18.12 -0.75
WEST_MED 12.06 12.69 -0.63
ASHKENAZIM 5.10
EAST_MED 5.14 6.54 -1.4
WEST_ASIAN 4.05 4.77 -0.72
MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.27 1.05 -0.78
SOUTH_ASIAN 7.69 7.70 -0.01
EAST_AFRICAN 3.93 4.04 -0.11
EAST_ASIAN 8.51 8.56 -0.04
SIBERIAN 1.19 1.17 -0.02
WEST_AFRICAN 12.74 12.71 -0.03
My Ashkenazim seem to have picked up from the West/East Med + Atlantic and West Asian in EUtest. Is this significant ?
FTDNA saw nothing mideast in me. Doug Mc Donald had a bit of mideast but could not tell. Globe13 sees 3.8% southwest_asian and 8.61% west_asian. Dodecad dv3 sees 7.90 west_asian and 2.14 southwest_asian.
Thank you!
Sorry if posted twice!
ReplyDeleteHello, I am reunionese (french island in the Indian Ocean Reunion), mainly descendants from french, indo-portuguese (mix of portuguese + indian/north indian), malagasy (mix of african + asians). We are the result of 350 years of admixing.
Here are my results
Jtest
SOUTH_BALTIC 6.44
EAST_EURO 4.75
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 10.77
ATLANTIC 17.37
WEST_MED 12.06
ASHKENAZIM 5.10
EAST_MED 5.14
WEST_ASIAN 4.05
MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.27
SOUTH_ASIAN 7.69
EAST_AFRICAN 3.93
EAST_ASIAN 8.51
SIBERIAN 1.19
WEST_AFRICAN 12.74
EUtest
SOUTH_BALTIC 6.50 +0.06
EAST_EURO 5.04 +0.29
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 11.11 +0.34
ATLANTIC 18.12 +0.75
WEST_MED 12.69 +0.63
EAST_MED 6.54 +1.4
WEST_ASIAN 4.77 +0.72
MIDDLE_EASTERN 1.05 +0.78
SOUTH_ASIAN 7.70 +0.01
EAST_AFRICAN 4.04 +0.11
EAST_ASIAN 8.56 +0.04
SIBERIAN 1.17 +0.02
WEST_AFRICAN 12.71 +0.03
My Ashkenazim seem to have picked up from the West/East Med + Atlantic and West Asian in EUtest. Is this significant ?
FTDNA saw nothing mideast in me. Doug Mc Donald had a bit of mideast but could not tell. Globe13 sees 3.8% southwest_asian and 8.61% west_asian. Dodecad dv3 sees 7.90 west_asian and 2.14 southwest_asian.
I have no known Ashkenazim in my family (genealogy going back to 1600). only have a few portuguese, spanish, italian and south french that could stick out???
Thank you!
You should compare your Jtest and Oracle results with those of other people of very similar ancestry. If your score is consistently higher, and you show Ashkenazi in the Oracle results, but they don't, then that would suggest some minor Ashkenazi ancestry.
DeleteYou should also check on the Jtest chromosome painting if the Ashkenazi influence is concentrated in any particular parts of the genome, and then see whether you match Ashkenazi users in those areas at GEdmatch.
Davidski, you never answered my question or commented on it.
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I don't know what your ancestry is precisely, but if its mostly South Italian and North African, then you can expect an unusually high Ashkenazi score without any Ashkenazi ancestry.
DeleteThe only time users of South Italian, Sicilian, North African, Greek, Cypriot, Maltese, etc. ancestry should wonder about Ashkenazi admixture based on this test is if the Oracle ouctomes repeatedly scream out Ashkenazi.
No, I don't have South Italian ancestry, and whatever North African ancestry I may have is via the Canary Islands, which is already mixed with Iberian. I'm Cuban.
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ReplyDeleteThese were my results on the EUtest (sorted by Oracle). I'm wondering what the regions represent (my guesses in brackets on the basis of whats been said above):
1 EAST_MED 26.22 (Levant)
2 WEST_MED 15.8 (Is this North Africa / Spain?)
3 MIDDLE_EASTERN 14.18 (Arabian Peninsula)
4 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 13.8 (Germany / Czech Republic)
5 ATLANTIC 10.58 (?)
6 WEST_ASIAN 9.63 (Caucaus)
7 SOUTH_BALTIC 4.23 (?)
8 EAST_EURO 3.4 (Russia / Ukraine?)
9 SIBERIAN 0.81 (Siberia)
10 EAST_AFRICAN 0.74 (Kenya / Tanzania)
11 EAST_ASIAN 0.5 (China)
12 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.11 (Indonesia)
one more note of interest I took a similar test using one of Dienekes tools and should up 0% Ashkenazi...
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ReplyDeleteI compared both tests EU and J test then substracted the differences
SOUTH_BALTIC 0.14
EAST_EURO 0.55
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 0.47
ATLANTIC 0.8
WEST_MED 0.81
ASHKENAZI 0
EAST_MED 1.76
WEST_ASIAN 0.93
MIDDLE_EASTERN 1.18
SOUTH_ASIAN 0
EAST_AFRICAN 0.12
EAST_ASIAN 0.06
SIBERIAN 0.04
WEST_AFRICAN 0.01
It appears a most fractional make up other than the obvious Host populations contributing to the admixture, namely Middle East and East_Med. I do have E1b1 (predicted) and J2 M92 (mmf) in the mix, as well as I1 (mf) and R1b L48 (father).
I wonder how does your test compare to the recent (2 year) studies Behar et al and Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin 2010, pointing to the recent migration of Italians who became a bulk of Ashkenazi Jews.
In other words, the inverse, a large I believe it was 40% from memory of Italians are autosomally comparable to EEJ. Italians in other words were the host population.
http://www.biology-direct.com/content/5/1/57
I don't think that the geneticists writing about the 'Jewish' origins add much to the debate anymore - anyone can replicate the results of their research using the admixture tools we ourselves are using. Most of them have a pretty poor grasp of history and reach very black and white conclusions - Israelites, Italians, Germans, Khazar, from the moon etc.
ReplyDeleteI think Davidski's ad-mixture results give a very clear picture for example of Ashkenazi Jews - a combination of near eastern and mediterranean DNA with more limited northern European ancestry. If I had to analyse the results the most plausible conclusion would be a core population comprised of Jews from Judea mixed with early converts from the greco-roman world supplanted over time by converts from the host populations in which the Ashkenazi Jews lived in. As this pretty much ties in with known history I can't see any reason to reinvent history to support a single origin theory.
Hi. I did my testing on Familytreedna and their system categorized my DNA as 100% Western European - French. That's it. Just the one thing. But when I try your tests I'm all over the place. I do know that I'm 25% Northern Italian, probably 15-20% Welsh, some English, German, Scotch-Irish, Dutch.... Wish I could tell you percentages better but I'd have to be able to prove back to all of my immigrant ancestors to do it. I would give you my kit # but I prefer not to post it on open forum. The numbers that show up in the Jtest & EUtest are similar to each other, so here are the EUtest figures. I sure hope you can give me some insight on what they might mean:
ReplyDeleteSouth Baltic: 10.03%
East Euro: 9.09%
North Central Euro: 24.69%
Atlantic: 27.45%
West Med: 16.23%
Ashkenazi: 2.35%
East Med: 6.01%
West Asian: 1.79%
Middle Eastern: 1.64%
South Asian: 0.71%
East African: --
East Asian: --
Siberian: --
West African: --
You should run the various Oracles linked to the EUtest and Jtest. They'll give you a good idea of what the results mean in terms of ethnic affinities.
DeleteThank you for the suggestion. To be frank, it still doesn't make a lot of sense to me why you've got so many different sorting methods / tests. Is there a blurb on that somewhere that I could read to better familiarize myself with the utility? Also, some of the 2-letter abbreviations that come back after Oracle searches don't have easy translations (at least for me). It would really help me out if there were an abbreviations key.
ReplyDeleteHi Davidski,
ReplyDeleteThe AJ percentage in my results seems elevated, but I'm not sure if that's because I have some Hungarian ancestry (about 12.5%). Below are the results and the oracle-x; what do you think?
Admix Results:
# Population Percent
1 SOUTH_BALTIC 18.88
2 EAST_EURO 14.57
3 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 21.69
4 ATLANTIC 22.32
5 WEST_MED 7.33
6 ASHKENAZI 4.81
7 EAST_MED 2.79
8 WEST_ASIAN 3.98
9 MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.00
10 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.00
11 EAST_AFRICAN 0.05
12 EAST_ASIAN 0.00
13 SIBERIAN 0.00
14 WEST_AFRICAN 3.58
Pct. Calc. Option 1
1 Scottish 44.76%
2 Northwest_Russian 25.76%
3 South_&_Central_Swedish 11.84%
4 AJ 6.23%
5 Yoruba 4.05%
6 AT 3.51%
7 HU 3.26%
8 Lezgin 0.59%
9 RO 0.00%
10 French_Basque 0.00%
Total RMSD: 0.419273
It's hard to say from those results. The oracles that show multiple ancestries are probably better. In any case, an Ashkenazi score of 4.81% is unlikely to indicate anything but very minor Ashkenazi ancestry.
DeleteBut you can check where your Ashkenazi segments are located in your genome via the chromosome painting at GEDmatch. This will tell you whether they're proper segments, rather than just small dispersed fragments as a result of noise, and if they overlap with Ashkenazi segments at 23andMe.
I received 0% AJ from the chromosome painting on 23andMe, but I did have several part-Jewish matches from the ancestry finder. I ran a "by segment" analysis in DIYDodecad for two half-Jewish matches, and got back about 20% AJ in both segments (using Jtest). It appears that these matches from the ancestry finder could be real.
DeleteAlso, I found on the Anthrocivitas forum that you provided some extra files for the K36 calculator for Ashkenazi and Sephardic clusters. I only got about half a percent of each overall, but there were elevated percentages in the segments above.