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Saturday, March 9, 2013

Eurogenes K36 at GEDmatch


I've just put together a new test for GEDmatch called the Eurogenes K36. Obviously, the K36 means that it features thirty six ancestral clusters. It probably won't include any Oracles, mostly because the Calculator Effect would render these useless if they were based on the average results of the reference samples (see the sheet here for details), and it'd be very time consuming for me to test a wide variety of other samples in supervised mode using thirty six sets of allele frequencies.

The main purpose of the Eurogenes K36 is to help users unravel the ethnic origins of local areas of their genomes (aka. half-segments), hence the high number of ancestral categories, some of which are very specific. In other words, the test is mainly a chromosome painting utility. It's accessible via the GEDmatch Ad-Mix link below:


GEDmatch > Ad-Mix page > Eurogenes > Eurogenes K36


An important point to keep in mind is not to take the ancestry proportions too literary. If you're, say, English, and you get an Iberian score of 12% this doesn't actually mean you have recent ancestry from Spain or Portugal. What it means is that 12% of your alleles look typical of the reference samples classified as Iberian, and this figure might only indicate recent Iberian admixture if it's clearly higher than those of other English users.

Another way to look at it is that the ancestry proportions are like map coordinates, and they'll place you with a very high degree of accuracy on a genetic map featuring other users. Indeed, please feel free to post your scores and ancestry details in the comments below to help others get an idea of what their results might represent. My results are listed below. The scores put me squarely in Poland relative to those of other European samples I've run, which is correct.


Also worth mentioning is that this test focuses on much deeper ancestry than the Ancestry Composition at 23andMe. Hence, I expect that many Europeans will score a few percent in non-European clusters. However, like many ADMIXTURE results, this could give us strong hints about population movements into Europe during prehistory and early history, so it's worth keeping an eye on.


256 comments:

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Suvi-Tuuli Allan said...

I tried it. My results are:

0.85% Amerindian
0.00% Arabian
0.00% Armenian
0.48% Basque
0.00% Central_African
6.11% Central_Euro
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% East_Balkan
0.00% East_Central_Asian
7.90% East_Central_Euro
0.00% East_Med
7.29% Eastern_Euro
56.06% Fennoscandian
4.59% French
0.06% Iberian
0.00% Indo-Chinese
0.01% Italian
0.00% Malayan
0.00% Near_Eastern
0.00% North_African
0.47% North_Atlantic
0.00% North_Caucasian
12.45% North_Sea
0.00% Northeast_African
0.00% Oceanian
0.00% Omotic
0.29% Pygmy
0.10% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.91% South_Central_Asian
0.00% South_Chinese
2.42% Volga-Ural
0.00% West_African
0.00% West_Caucasian
0.01% West_Med

Interesting. Not quite what I expected. I guess that East Eurasian stuff that I've previously seen is hiding under the Fennoscandian component, eh? By the way, I'm Western Finnish, from Central Ostrobothnia.

Fanty said...

Oh, new files and somewhat different results?

Ok, thats my results:

1 Grandparent, German from NW-Germany (Westfalia)
3 Grandparents, Germans from the "Eastern Terretories", Central Silesia, Upper Silesia and East Prussia.
1 Lithuanian GG-GM.

14.40% North_Sea
13.87% East_Central_Euro
11.78% North_Atlantic
11.21% Iberian
11.17% Italian
11.01% Fennoscandian
6.29% Eastern_Euro
6.08% French
4.73% Central_Euro
3.30% West_Med
3.12% East_Balkan
1.71% Volga-Ural
0.64% West_Caucasian
0.44% Basque
0.12% Amerindian
0.06% North_Caucasian
0.08% Oceanian

ensifr said...

If those are like map coordinates, how do you draw the map?

Davidski said...

You need lots of results from different Europeans and when you plot those on a PCA plot they will resemble a map of Europe.

Eduardo Pinto said...

Hello David,

Could you break the Iberian cluster into two distinct clusters as you previously did with the North Sea and North Atlantic clusters.
These two clusters would be...

Western Iberian: Galicia/Castilla Y Leon/Extremadura
Eastern Iberian: Aragon/Cantabria/Castilla La Mancha/Cataluna/Valencia/Murcia

Davidski said...

You can try these, based on the samples you specified, but I doubt you'll get anything useful, because Iberian populations aren't drifted enough to produce local clusters.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQYlVSazlOOFkzeEk/edit

Eduardo Pinto said...

I'm sorry David but I've been struggling both with Excel and the text editor without getting any results, could you please post the whole document with new clusters already in it.
As to the aforementioned I must say that neither British populations are drifted enough to produce local clusters, if one looks at a PCA one will find much less genetic variation in the isles than in Iberia.

Fanty said...

"I must say that neither British populations are drifted enough to produce local clusters"


That depends on the PCA.
On some PCA all British seem to occupy the same place, with no overlap with say Germans.

I have seen PCA, that showed 2 clusters in Britain. Irish+Scotts+Cornish forming one and the English forming the other (and in that setting English (specially Kent), Dutch and NORTHgermans did overlap. It was a British Isles + Netherlands+Germany+Austria+Hungary PCA)

Thats exactly the 2 British clusters that are used in this K36 btw Northatlantic=Cornwall and Northsea=Kent

Davidski said...

Try this...

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=5223cc821fdfeb45&id=5223CC821FDFEB45!144&Bsrc=Share&Bpub=SDX.SkyDrive&authkey=!AuqtNtiqmcSCDoQ

Eduardo Pinto said...

Well... it didn't produce any solid results but it was worth the shot.
Thanks David!

0.00% Amerindian
1.80% Arabian
1.75% Armenian
0.00% Central_African
5.10% Central_Euro
0.00% East_African
0.00% East_Asian
4.92% East_Balkan
0.00% East_Central_Asian
2.48% East_Central_Euro
4.47% East_Med
0.18% Eastern_Euro
5.40% Fennoscandian
0.00% Indo-Chinese
0.00% Malayan
5.49% Near_Eastern
4.66% North_African
13.19% North_Atlantic
0.00% North_Caucasian
13.38% North_Sea
1.39% Northeast_African
0.00% Oceanian
0.00% Omotic
0.00% Pygmy
0.00% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% South_Central_Asian
0.04% Volga-Ural
0.00% West_African
0.14% West_Caucasian
11.48% West_Med
12.81% East_Iberian
11.33% West_Iberian

Cyndi said...

I must be missing something really obvious but I'm just not seeing the new test. Under Eurogenes, my choices in the popup menu are K9, K10, K11, K12, K12b, K13, Hunter Gatherer vs Farmer, JTest, and EUTest. That's it.

I've done it using the page links provided above and in the K37 post you removed. Plus I've done it from the main page, trying every Eurogenes radio button version.

Thanks.

sds said...

@ Cyndi, it is not on Gedmatch yet.

ChrisR said...

Can someone help me? I use (like already successfull) DIYDodecad2.1.rar (10 files) and genotype.txt. Then I added the 3 files from Iberian_K36.zip. Executing "DIYDodecadWin admix.par" I get
"At line 125 of file DIYDodecad.f90 file: "admix.alleles"
Traceback: not available, compile with -ftrace=frame or -ftrace=full
Fortran runtime error: the system can not find the mentioned file."

Eduardo Pinto said...

@ChrisR

Everything has to be under the same directory and then you have input at the R console the following commands:

source('standardize.r')

standardize('your_raw_data.txt', company='23andMe')


system('DIYDodecadWin admix.par')

Anders Pålsen said...

The admix.alleles file is missing in package.

ChrisR said...

I thougt the same like Anders; maybe the file was in the first package provided by Davidski (March 12, 2013 at 11:33 PM) - not anymore downloadable. But the file is not in Iberian_K36.zip from March 16, 2013 at 12:44 AM. I have only the following files in the ZIP: admix.par, admix.txt, admix.36.F
Can Davidski or someone else share the missing file?

crowens3 said...

I'm missing the admix.alleles file also.

Davidski said...

How about these links?

K36

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=5223cc821fdfeb45&id=5223CC821FDFEB45!141&Bsrc=Share&Bpub=SDX.SkyDrive&authkey=!AqtZhF2ljrwt6-0

K35 (no South Chinese cluster)

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=5223cc821fdfeb45&id=5223CC821FDFEB45!142&Bsrc=Share&Bpub=SDX.SkyDrive&authkey=!AogsKGOxori3wZQ

Anders Pålsen said...

Nows its working.

ChrisR said...

Result for a Central Alpine sample (probably no outside admixture in the last 500 years). I don't know the cluster distributions (will be interesting to see maps), but the following percentages seems high: Iberian, Fennoscandian, Armenian:

Italian 15.15
North_Atlantic 10.88
Iberian 8.61
French 8.12
Fennoscandian 7.92
North_Sea 7.80
East_Central_Euro 6.83
Central_Euro 6.73
West_Med 6.22
Eastern_Euro 4.29
Armenian 4.25
East_Med 3.36
West_Caucasian 2.80
Basque 2.20
Near_Eastern 1.88
North_Caucasian 1.72
East_Balkan 1.24
North_African 0.01
Volga-Ural 0.01

Will compare with other samples from the same region.

crowens3 said...

My ancestors on paper were mostly German, British, and Irish.

16.15% North_Sea
12.05% Iberian
12.02% Italian
11.86% Central_Euro
11.50% Fennoscandian
9.63% North_Atlantic
7.08% French
6.88% East_Central_Euro
2.59% Eastern_Euro
2.10% West_Caucasian
1.94% Armenian
1.70% Basque
1.43% East_Balkan
1.22% North_Caucasian
0.70% Near_Eastern
0.49% South_Central_Asian
0.37% West_Med
0.20% East_Med
0.07% South_Asian

pconroy said...

I was born and raised in Ireland, all ancestors were in Ireland since before 1670:

18.86% North_Atlantic
16.82% North_Sea
14.36% Iberian
11.02% French
8.65% Fennoscandian
6.59% Eastern_Euro
6.20% Central_Euro
4.80% Basque
4.37% East_Central_Euro
4.14% Italian
1.66% Volga-Ural
1.40% North_Caucasian
1.09% West_Caucasian
0.03% East_Balkan

pconroy said...

Here's my father's results - he is Native Irish AFAIK, with no admixture:

20.12% North_Sea
19.24% North_Atlantic
16.16% Iberian
7.77% Fennoscandian
7.39% French
6.92% Basque
5.98% Eastern_Euro
5.46% East_Central_Euro
3.97% Italian
3.55% Central_Euro
1.30% Volga-Ural
1.14% East_Balkan
0.52% North_Caucasian
0.44% South_Central_Asian
0.06% West_Med

pconroy said...

Here are my mother's results, she is Native Irish, plus some Northern English, Norman, French Huguenot:

20.91% North_Atlantic
17.42% Iberian
14.21% North_Sea
10.34% French
8.91% Fennoscandian
7.30% Eastern_Euro
7.03% East_Central_Euro
5.50% Italian
4.80% Central_Euro
1.26% North_Caucasian
0.99% Basque
0.88% Volga-Ural
0.37% West_Caucasian
0.05% Amerindian
0.03% East_Balkan

Gui S said...

I am 43.75% from Central/Western France, 31.25% from Northeastern France, 12.5% Jewish, 12.5% supposedly Southern German.
My results:
22.76% Iberian
20.88% Italian
12.76% North Sea
6.63% North Atlantic
6.59% East Central Europe
5.54% West Med
5.51% French (so low!)
4.92% East Balkan
4.07% Eastern Europe
3.35% Central Europe
3.24% Fennoscandian
2.42% North African
2.01% North Caucasus
0.57% Near East
0.05% Armenian
0.04% South Central Asian
0.02% Arabian

My grandmother who is 50% Western French (Anjou area) and 50% Jewish gets:
17.35% Iberian
14.49% Italian
9.94% East Med
8.05% North Sea
6.11% Near East
5.93% North Atlantic
4.90% French
4.90% East Central Europe
4.78% North Caucasus
3.60% Arabian
3.01% East Balkan
2.93% Fennoscandian
2.60% Armenian
2.57% Central European
2.54% West Caucasus
2.23% Basque
2.12% West Med
1.88% North African
0.06% Eastern Europe

I can't wait for it to be on gedmatch to see the chromosome paintings it yields!

Also I am willing to make maps if anyone is compiling results so far.

Gui S said...

Is there an FST table for the components?

Henrik Alstad said...

My results... 1/12 finn, 11/12 norwegian.
But the North_Caucasian get me wondering...anyone know what's normal for Norwegians?

22.01% Fennoscandian
18.86% North_Sea
15.02% North_Atlantic
8.34% French
7.94% East_Central_Euro
7.38% Iberian
7.20% Eastern_Euro
6.38% North_Caucasian
5.19% Central_Euro
1.07% Basque
0.41% Amerindian
0.19% Italian
0.01% South_Central_Asian

Gui S said...

Henrik, considering you have no other Middle Eastern or East Mediterranean component, no East Balkan and almost no Italian, your score for that area in general seems in line with what's to be expected from Scandinavia. I wonder why it's all concentrated in just one component, though.

Davidski said...

I've got the Fst distances for the K35 (which is the same as the K36 but without the South Chinese component).

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQVE5sLTBrb0ptbjg/edit?usp=sharing

Liam said...

I'm American, with ancestry back to early 1600's in both New England and Canada(Quebec/Acadia), as well as more recent ancestors from the UK, within 2 - 4 generations of present.

I put my raw data through this test and came up with some pretty surprising results. Not sure how to interpret it. . .

2.72% Amerindian
0.66% Arabian
0.29% Armenian
0.85% Basque
2.59% Central_African
1.73% Central_Euro
3.38% East_African
9.26% East_Asian
0.95% East_Balkan
1.23% East_Central_Asian
0.72% East_Central_Euro
0.00% East_Med
0.06% Eastern_Euro
4.00% Fennoscandian
0.18% French
2.78% Iberian
3.69% Indo-Chinese
0.10% Italian
6.08% Malayan
0.04% Near_Eastern
0.16% North_African
5.00% North_Atlantic
1.44% North_Caucasian
4.84% North_Sea
3.49% Northeast_African
2.90% Oceanian
4.61% Omotic
3.67% Pygmy
2.88% Siberian
7.64% South_Asian
7.74% South_Central_Asian
0.40% Volga-Ural
12.77% West_African
0.20% West_Caucasian
0.95% West_Med

Davidski said...

Those results look way off. You made a mistake somewhere.

Liam said...

Thanks so much for taking the time to respond. I'd really like to correct my error. I'm just wondering what I could have done to get inaccurate results. I haven't changed the raw data. At this point i'm wondering if I should retest.

Liam said...

ok, fixed it. Much closer to what I was expecting!
19.09% North_Atlantic
14.92% North_Sea
13.87% Iberian
13.37% Fennoscandian
10.20% French
9.67% Italian
6.44% East_Central_Euro
5.18% Central_Euro
3.80% East_Balkan
1.92% Basque
0.75% West_Caucasian
0.58% Eastern_Euro
0.18% North_Caucasian
0.02% South_Central_Asian
0.01% West_Med

Thanks for making this tool available.

Vinnie said...

My Sicilian Mother

Arabian 7.22%
Armenian 4.61%
Basque 0.68%
Central_Euro 3.01%
East_Balkan 8.58%
East_Med 15.32%
French 2.06%
Iberian 10.43%
Italian 18.74%
Near_Eastern 13.16%
North_African 2.54%
North_Caucasian 2.11%
North_Sea 1.64%
West_Caucasian 4.24%
West_Med 5.62%

Vinnie said...

My Abruzzese Father

Arabian 3.72%
Armenian 4.06%
Basque 1.54%
Central_Euro 5.62%
East_Balkan 4.27%
East_Med 20.57%
French 2.84%
Iberian 10.31%
Italian 28.24%
Near_Eastern 7.89%
North_African 0.53%
North_Atlantic 0.59%
North_Caucasian 0.90%
North_Sea 2.01%
West_Caucasian 3.58%
West_Med 3.35%

Vinnie said...

Me: note that K36 is reading some of my parents' combined aDNA as E. Central Europe for me, which does not show up in either of them.

Arabian 4.28%
Armenian 5.51%
Basque 1.96%
Central_Euro 4.15%
East_Balkan 7.35%
East_Central_Euro 2.24%
East_Med 18.03%
French 1.15%
Iberian 9.61%
Italian 24.60%
Near_Eastern 7.90%
North_African 1.70%
North_Caucasian 2.04%
North_Sea 1.01%
West_Caucasian 3.76%
West_Med 4.68%

Eduardo Pinto said...

Hello David,

Just a suggestion...

Why don't you run an assessement of the currently available ancient DNA samples using this K=36? Even though we know which regions of Europe are more mesolithic are which are more neolithic this kind of experiment would consolidate our present knowledge on this matter.

Davidski said...

I don't have any of the ancient samples except Oetzi, but Vadim has them all. You should ask him to use the K36 or something similar on his stash of aDNA. The reference samples I used are listed in the sheet linked to above, so it wouldn't take him long to put something together in ADMIXTURE.

Bedlam49 said...

I am part Ashkenazi (maternal grandfather was Ashkenazi Jew from Poland) the rest is mainly English with some Irish and French and possibly Welsh.
Results below for K36:-

Amerindian 0.10%
Arabian -
Armenian 2.82%
Basque 3.54%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 6.23%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.19%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 1.12%
East_Med 6.63%
Eastern_Euro 3.58%
Fennoscandian 7.78%
French 4.77%
Iberian 16.04%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 12.55%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 15.73%
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 14.65%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 0.39%
South_Central_Asian 0.48%
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.97%
West_African -
West_Caucasian 0.44%
West_Med 0.97%


Fanty said...

Sometimes I really wonder why there isn´t more very specific, local mutations to be seen?

I mean, recently it was claimed, that by average, there is like 50 mutations in the autosomal DNA of EVERY human born.

But if it would be like that, shouldnt there be much more diversity in the alleles than oberseved and shouldnt there be much more localy limited distributions of alleles?

Hm.

Tim Gatty said...

Known ancestry 50 English 31 Scottish 19 Irish


North_Sea 22.95%
North_Atlantic 20.04%
Iberian 13.51%
Fennoscandian 11.41%
French 8.06%
East_Central_Euro 5.62%
Central_Euro 4.40%
North_Caucasian 3.95%
Eastern_Euro 3.55%
Italian 2.90%
Basque 2.07%
West_Med 0.83%
Volga-Ural 0.34%
Omotic 0.22%
Amerindian 0.15%

Surprised at quite high Fennoscandian.

Fanty said...

I think, "Fennoscandian" is the "Iberian" of Northern Europe. Hehe.

Like "Iberian" is amazingly high in the whole western half of Europe, "Fennoscandian" seems equally high in the northern half.

Seth Reeder said...

(US83), Gedmatch ID M033622, background is approximately 75% from the British Isles, remaining 25% is from the European Continent (mostly from Rhineland-Pfalz and Baden-Württemberg, then some Swedish, Ashkenazim, and Iberian).

18.51% North_Sea
17.47% North_Atlantic
12.88% Iberian
11.33% Italian
7.32% Fennoscandian
6.61% Central_Euro
5.73% French
5.63% East_Balkan
5.24% East_Central_Euro
4.25% West_Med
2.30% East_Euro
1.56% North_Caucasian
0.69% Basque
0.23% Volga-Ural
0.16% Amerindian

Got the - mark for everything else.

Lena Longacre said...

I live in America, I figure I have a lot of European ancestry. My paternal grandfather is unknown so there is no information at all on that side. Most of the ones that are known are from Germany (Bavaria) and also strong lines in France and some in England.
This is what I came up with. Anyone want to throw any info in here as to what I can conclude from all of this?

Basque 3.30%
Central_Euro 5.56%
East_Balkan 2.11%
East_Central_Euro 5.18%
Eastern_Euro 5.49%
Fennoscandian 5.08%
French 6.17%
Iberian 22.37%
Italian 8.04%
North_African 0.55%
North_Atlantic 15.53%
North_Caucasian 4.39%
North_Sea 11.89%
Pygmy 0.92%
South_Central_Asian 0.63%
Volga-Ural 0.43%
West_Med 2.34%



Michael Wood said...

I'm from the States and a significant portion of my ancestry comes from the British Isles, here are my results:

North_Sea 23.62%
North_Atlantic 15.23%
Iberian 13.01%
Italian 8.88%
Central_Euro 8.71%
Fennoscandian 7.92%
Eastern_Euro 5.91%
French 5.31%
East_Central_Euro 3.95%
Basque 2.30%
East_Balkan 2.21%
North_Caucasian 1.52%
Armenian 0.78%
Omotic 0.57%

A Caged Wench said...

Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 1.46%
Basque 3.20%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 7.03%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 2.86%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 4.50%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 6.23%
Fennoscandian 4.11%
French 6.59%
Iberian 15.99%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 10.69%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 12.15%
North_Caucasian 6.47%
North_Sea 16.63%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.31%
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 1.77%


My maternal grandfather was born and raised in Italy and that's where his family was from for generations.

My maternal grandmother was born and raised in Canada.

One of her paternal great-grandfathers was an immigrant and recent records found appear to indicate that he was born in Gildwiller, Alsace, France. His wife was born in Soufflenheim, Alsace, France.

The other set of paternal great-grandparents were immigrants from Drusenheim, Alsace, France.

Farther back than that I've got records for ancestors from France and from Germany but nothing proven beyond those locals.

And for my paternal side - all I can say is Canada by way of Pennsylvania & Germany & one short line of English

Her maternal

Robert N Melissa Fayyazi said...

My husband and I did 23andme. I turned out to be a global mutt.. Native American, Ashkenazi, North African, Sub Saharan African, Sardinian, Iberian, and the rest various European. My husband is European mostly, but his father is IRANIAN. His came back that he is 30% middle eastern which was expected. It also showed that he is 11% italian and there is no italian in his American mothers family. I have encountered people who knew of italian heritage, yet yielded results of being middle eastern or persian. I suspect that the deep ancestral roots of a portion of italians DNA is persian. I have suspected that since way befpre the advent of commercially available DNA tests, just through history, research, and the fact that Iranians tend to look very Italian.

temp said...

All grandparents are Russian. Here's my results

East_Central_Euro 22.57%
Fennoscandian 15.59%
Eastern_Euro 15.17%
Central_Euro 9.20%
North_Sea 9.09%
North_Caucasian 7.55%
East_Balkan 6.73%
Volga-Ural 4.39%
French 3.57%
North_Atlantic 3.09%

Catherine Kesseler said...

My paternal grandparents were both from a small town in the Abruzzo region of Italy. My mother is 25% colonial US (the ancetors we've found were from various places in british isles, a couple from scandinavia, a possible ancestor who was from Morovia and a rumor of native american and 25% Spanish/Mexican, with one ancestor from the Meckleburg Schwerin area of Germany.

Iberian 15.58%
Italian 15.25%
North_Caucasian 8.30%
French 7.73%
North_Sea 7.31%
East_Med 6.71%
Near_Eastern 6.19%
East_Central_Euro 6.00%
North_Atlantic 5.45%
Central_Euro 4.13%
Eastern_Euro 3.64%
Fennoscandian 3.29%
Basque 2.78%
Armenian 2.04%
West_Caucasian 1.56%
East_Balkan 1.28%
Amerindian 0.72%
North_African 0.59%
Northeast_African 0.58%
West_Med 0.52%
Arabian 0.19%
Oceanian 0.17%
Cathy

ApeQuake said...

I'm curious about this. I have a strong paper links over 1/2 my family for 500 years +. Most are English and Norwegian. I also have a couple that are 3-4 generations long that point to Franco-German and Swiss. I can see that these are all covered in the below admixture.

I am a little thrown off by the significant Southern European portions of my admixture (specifically Italian and Iberian). Please let think these admixtures point to.


K-36 Results (sorted)

North_Sea 15.51%
North_Atlantic 14.57%
Italian 10.61%
Iberian 9.87%
Fennoscandian 9.79%
Central_Euro 9.49%
East_Balkan 7.34%
French 6.31%
East_Central_Euro 5.27%
West_Med 5.19%
North_Caucasian 3.28%
Eastern_Euro 2.24%
South_Central_Asian 0.17%
West_Caucasian 0.17%
Basque 0.13%

Davidski said...

All Northwestern Europeans get high Italian and Iberian scores in this test. This is in line with other tests in which they show high Mediterranean scores.

The main reason for these seemingly high admixtures from the south is shared ancestry with Mediterranean populations dating back to the Neolithic and probably metal ages. In other words, these results don't mean recent ancestry from Italy or Iberia, unless they're much higher than usual.

Edwin Lee said...

All my 16 great great grandparents were born in the Unites States. I am an African American my white ancestry is English and Irish . My deep ancestry is I1 and Ub5a2 both Scandanavian mainly.
1.West African 57.03%
2.East African 5.07%
3.North Sea 5.00%
4.African Pygmy 4.72%
5.Fennoscandian 4.20%
6.Italian 3.19%
7.Iberian 3.16%
8.Volga Ural 3.06%
9.Central African 2.93%
10.East Cent Eur 2.43%
11.Eastern Euro 2.40%
12.French 2.13%
13.Basque 1.48%
14.North Atlantic 1.47%
15. Amerindian 0.65%
16.South Asian 0.46%
17.Cent Euro 0.38%
18.East Balkan 0.18%

Richard Robbins said...

Here's my mixture for this K36 test.

East_Central_Euro 19.29%
North_Sea 14.25%
Fennoscandian 13.08%
Eastern_Euro 11.32%
North_Atlantic 8.10%
Central_Euro 7.70%
French 6.95%
North_Caucasian 4.92%
Italian 4.02%
Iberian 3.90%
East_Balkan 3.41%
West_Med 2.69%
West_Caucasian 0.37%

Known locations are Poland, Germany, Scotland, England, Austria, Croatia, Hungary.










Estella Haversham said...

My ancestry is predominantly English, with a little Scottish and Welsh.

North Sea 18.89%
Iberian 16.01%
North Atlantic 15.10%
Fennoscandian 12.17%
Italian 9.34%
French 8.66%
Central Euro 7.18%
North Caucasian 3.69%
East Central Euro 3.4%
Eastern Euro 1.32%
East Balkan 1.26%
West Med 1.09%
South Central Asian 1.09%
Volga Ural 0.39%
Basque 0.25%
Oceanian 0.13%


Eochaidh said...

50% Native Irish, 25% Ulster Irish, 25% French-Canadian

No. Atlantic 17.31
No. Sea 16.01
Italian 13.22 (High! Alpine France?)
Iberian 12.38
French 11.87 (High! I've seen Native Irish at 11.02)
FennosScan 6.11
Cent Euro 5.04
No. Caucasus 4.30 (High! Alans in Brittany?)
E. Balkan 3.76
E. Cent Euro 3.41 (Low!)
E. Euro 2.46
W. Med 1.78
Basque 1.0

Some of my French lines are from Auvergne and Lyon.

Thanks!

Maureen Markov said...

No. Atlantic 19.18
No. Sea 17.64
Iberian 14.77
French 9.79
FennosScan 8.24
E. Cent Euro 7.10
Cent Euro 5.92
Italian 5.31
Basque 4.89
E. Euro 2.47
S. Cent Asian 1.46
N Caucasian 1.44
Volga Ural .71
Amerindian .20

Volodya said...

Vladimir Markov
all grandparents russian (St Petersburg/Urals)

E Euro 22.61
E Cent Euro 17.83
Fennoscand 14.22
N. Sea 9.52
Cent Euro 6.93
Volga Ural 4.78
Iberian 7.57
Italian 4.00
N Atlantic 4.34
E Balkan 3.23
French 2.00
Basque 1.66
N Caucasian .84
Oceanian .25
Amerindian .13

What root could be contributing the amerindian results for both Markovs? Source of Euro/Amerind?

PRjibaro said...

Puerto Rican

Amerindian 12.17%
Arabian 0.38%
Armenian 0.13%
Basque 2.41%
Central_African 1.31%
Central_Euro -
East_African 4.45%
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.18%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med 1.96%
Eastern_Euro 0.42%
Fennoscandian 3.08%
French 3.93%
Iberian 11.66%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 14.14%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African 2.40%
North_Atlantic 6.41%
North_Caucasian 1.37%
North_Sea 3.98%
Northeast_African 1.06%
Oceanian -
Omotic 0.69%
Pygmy 1.10%
Siberian -
South_Asian 0.35%
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African 22.57%
West_Caucasian 0.59%
West_Med 2.20%

Josh said...

Bedlam,

With the exception of Basque and East Med, you and I are very similar in results for the K36. My great-grandmother told us before she passed that she was of Jewish origin. Not sure what to make of my results with regard to that, though. I just noticed that we had very similar percentages for most groups.

Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 2.59%
Basque 0.24%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 8.89%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.12%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 2.56%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 8.06%
Fennoscandian 6.43%
French 5.63%
Iberian 16.46%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 8.40%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 16.46%
North_Caucasian 3.05%
North_Sea 19.40%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 0.69%

Volodya said...

Left this out of Maureen's:


East_Balkan 0.86%

crowens3 said...

The result may come from ancient admixture with Arctic Amerinds.

pconroy said...

So far it would seem that my Native Irish father has the highest Basque score and one of the highest North Sea scores - this is roughly what the old 23andMe Ancestry Finder had him as - so he was placed the farthest NW in Europe, when only Europe is considered. However when Northern Europe is considered, he is placed closer to Scandinavia.

Mike said...

On paper:
1/2 Sicilian Italian(suspected Norman lineage due to taller height, and lighter eyes on that side of the family),
1/4 Abbruzzese Italian (suspected Longobard{Germanic migration} lineage due to blonde hair, blue eye traits)
1/4 Belarus

Italian              14.40%
East_Med             10.01%
East_Central_Euro    9.79%
North_Atlantic       7.78%
West_Caucasian       6.85%
Near_Eastern         6.82%
French               6.49%
Iberian              4.98%
East_Balkan          4.65%
Armenian             4.00%
West_Med  3.71%
Arabian              3.70%
Eastern_Euro         3.54%
Central_Euro         2.98%
North_African        2.76%
North_Caucasian      2.54%
Basque               2.25%
North_Sea            1.80%
Fennoscandian        0.95%

Mike I. said...

David,
It would appear that modern day descendents of the British Isles, and Scandinavia both share high amounts of both North Sea, and North Atlantic. Would this be due to ice age migration, or more recent activity ie. Viking/Norman invasions?

Black Taylor said...

@pconroy
Check out my North Sea score vs your dad's, this is consistent with some other calculators where I strangely get a higher NW European component than the Irish (varies by calculator used). I have similar Basque and Iberian percentages to your Irish family. Also, one common observation is that I come up essentially completely lacking an Eastern European component, which is duplicated here.
If I had to hazard a guess I'd say I'm lower than usual on the Indoeuropean side of things.
I'm 3/4 north English and 1/4 Flemish.
I found the Iberian/Basque components of the K36 the most interesting in this analysis, makes you wonder about the time depth.
North Sea 24.99
Iberian 17.43
North Atlantic 15.96
Italian 10.16
East Central Euro 9.21
Fennoscandian 7.78
Central Euro 7.03
Basque 4.74
Volga-Ural 1.32
East Balkan 0.80
French 0.21
South Central Asian 0.21
Eastern Euro 0.14

Majikat39 said...

David, based on my following results, where would my ancestry be placed in Europe?

East_Central_Euro 22.88%
Eastern_Euro 16.92%
Fennoscandian 14.98%
Central_Euro 8.44%
North_Sea 7.52%
North_Atlantic 6.70%
East_Balkan 6.56%
Italian 5.98%
Iberian 4.16%
North_Caucasian 2.34%
Volga-Ural 2.00%
French 1.52%

marcantonio said...

My father's results (he's Austrian):

Amerindian -
Arabian 0.99%
Armenian 2.41%
Basque 2.45%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 6.44%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 8.17%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 11.45%
East_Med 4.16%
Eastern_Euro 6.60%
Fennoscandian 6.82%
French 1.29%
Iberian 9.08%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 10.33%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 1.02%
North_African -
North_Atlantic 7.16%
North_Caucasian 5.02%
North_Sea 12.41%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 0.05%
South_Central_Asian 2.33%
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 0.44%
West_Med 1.37%

marcantonio said...

My own K36 results (half Austrian/half South Italian):

Amerindian -
Arabian 3.83%
Armenian 3.95%
Basque 1.74%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 3.29%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.44%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 7.50%
East_Med 8.05%
Eastern_Euro 1.67%
Fennoscandian 2.71%
French 3.43%
Iberian 14.97%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 12.92%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 6.73%
North_African -
North_Atlantic 6.48%
North_Caucasian 3.87%
North_Sea 7.41%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 2.74%
West_Med 4.25%

Davidski said...

I don't know, because I haven't compiled any stats.

You should run the EUtest at GEDmatch and look at the Oracle 4 results. That always produces strong results. Just keep in mind that Amerindian admixture is classified as Siberian admixture in that one.

TC said...

sons results - father is from long Sicilian paternal line, and than norwegian and polish and my maternal line is mostly English and my paternal is Danish/English/polish

Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 1.45%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 11.51%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 3.16%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 11.94%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 8.10%
Fennoscandian 8.99%
French 4.56%
Iberian 11.74%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 11.21%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 7.91%
North_Caucasian 1.27%
North_Sea 17.66%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 0.37%
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 0.11

TC said...

Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 1.45%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 11.51%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 3.16%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 11.94%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 8.10%
Fennoscandian 8.99%
French 4.56%
Iberian 11.74%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 11.21%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 7.91%
North_Caucasian 1.27%
North_Sea 17.66%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 0.37%
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 0.11

Cara Ancestry said...

Is it better to run it per chromosome? Or just on it's own, so to speak?

Davidski said...

Per chromosome is more noisy and uncertain because the algorithm has fewer markers to work with.

So I recommend the use of all the available markers from the 22 chromosomes at once. After that, to check for local admixtures run the chromosome painting, and cross check the results with the Ancestry Comp and Ancestry Finder at 23andMe.

Eric McAllister said...

I'm an American Mutt with a Paternal Grandfather that was adopted - so 25% unknown. Not sure why I scored so High with Iberian? Don't know how to make sense of the results.

Iberian 19.91%
North_Sea 16.30%
Italian 12.79%
Fennoscandian 10.95%
French 7.78%
North_Atlantic 6.48%
Central_Euro 6.14%
East_Central_Euro 5.39%
East_Balkan 4.87%
North_Caucasian 4.79%
Basque 3.05%
Eastern_Euro 0.85%
West_Med 0.38%
Amerindian 0.33%

Davidski said...

All Western Europeans get high Iberian scores. Here's the reason.

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/2013/04/neolithic-mtdna-h-genomes-bell-beaker.html

Check out the position of the Western Isles (WIS) mtDNA H lineages on the PCA.

sds said...

David, how does the central European component compare to the North Sea? It seems the central European component has a northernly emphasis too, say more toward Sweden then to the interior of Europe and places such as Austria. Also the south central Asian component,when compared to the south Asian, north Caucasian and west Caucasian, does it cover regions as far west, as say,Iran, Iraq and Armenia?

Davidski said...

I haven't studied the frequencies of the components around the world. Maybe someone else has, I don't know? If not then someone should put together a spreadsheet of results that people have shared online. The only thing I can say is that the Central Euro cluster is based on German-like Utah Americans from the HapMap project and Hungarians from Behar et al., while the South Central Asian cluster is based on Pakistani samples from the HGDP. Cross checking with the EUtest and Jtest might help.

sds said...

David, if the Central Euro cluster is the Utah Americans, then what was used for the North Sea cluster? I have heard that the Utah-American samples have an almost Scandinavian like presence, no?

Davidski said...

I used Scandinavian-like Utah Americans. They're genetically distinguishable from the German-like and British-like Utah Americans. There's even a difference between the Utah Americans who come out British, because some clearly have Western Scottish or Irish-like ancestry, while others are a better fit for English.

Natalie Baker said...

Here are my results. I have known German, French, Irish/British, Dutch, Spanish (Canary Islands) ancestry. My grandfather's mother was adopted so there are unknowns with him. Most of my ancestors have been in the states since the 1700s. 23andMe shows 1.3 % sub-saharan african. Here, I show N and W African. Trying to determine possible source of African. I have also showed some E. European. Not sure how to interpret these results below, considering...Any help appreciated!

Central_Euro 6.88%
East_Balkan 2.92%
East_Central_Euro 5.40%
Eastern_Euro 3.01%
Fennoscandian 9.41%
French 7.97%
Iberian 20.81%
Italian 9.99%
North_African 0.36%
North_Atlantic 11.24%
North_Sea 19.66%
West_African 0.21%
West_Caucasian 2.10%

Ericpwork said...

David,
Thanks for creating this excellent and interesting tool. My ancestors are alomost exclusively English, Irish and Scots. Here's the result:

Amerindian 0.30%
Basque 2.40%
Central_Euro 7.52%
East_Central_Euro 7.86%
Eastern_Euro 4.32%
Fennoscandian 12.53%
French 9.04%
Iberian 10.71%
Italian 10.38%
North_Atlantic 14.72%
North_Caucasian 1.64%
North_Sea 15.05%
Pygmy 0.17%
South_Central_Asian 1.82%
West_African 0.69%
West_Caucasian 0.85%

No surprise in the No Atl/No Sea/Scan. Some interesting tidbits. This is the first I've seen of Pygmy DNA...

Davidski said...

You've also got a West African result. You might want to check whether these signals of Sub-Saharan African ancestry register as relatively large segments on the chromosome painting. If so, it might mean minor Sub-Saharan admixture. But if they're spread out all over the place as tiny fragments then they're just noise.

Samantha B said...

I'm multiracial, I know I have some British / Irish / African in me, but the heritage of my paternal grandmother is unknown. My assumption is that she was of mixed race herself, and some tests have helped to lead to that conclusion. I also don't know my maternal grandfather's full heritage. Here are my results:


Armenian 0.30%
Basque 2.80%
Central_African 1.32%
Central_Euro 5.23%
East_African 2.12%
East_Balkan 1.98%
East_Central_Euro 4.72%
Eastern_Euro 2.90%
Fennoscandian 2.27%
French 3.95%
Iberian 8.12%
Italian 4.68%
North_African 0.41%
North_Atlantic 12.71%
North_Sea 9.73%
Pygmy 3.13%
South_Central_Asian 0.49%
West_African 31.48%
West_Caucasian 0.41%
West_Med 1.24%

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Kristina Morgan said...

My known ancestry from both parents is: Ireland (Cork), N. Ireland (Armagh), Poland, Hungary, Bohemia (Czech).

North_Atlantic 17.00%
East_Central_Euro 14.81%
Iberian 12.71%
North_Sea 11.90%
Eastern_Euro 11.45%
Fennoscandian 9.91%
Italian 6.06%
Central_Euro 4.69%
French 4.64%
East_Balkan 4.62%
Volga-Ural 1.41%
Basque 0.78%

Unknown said...

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.23%
Armenian 0.25%
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 11.80%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 7.41%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 15.54%
East_Med 0.05%
Eastern_Euro 10.85%
Fennoscandian 5.15%
French 5.89%
Iberian 9.65%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 10.22%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 2.40%
North_African 0.51%
North_Atlantic 7.06%
North_Caucasian 4.95%
North_Sea 5.27%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.55%
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.19%
West_Med -

Here are my results. All my great greatgrandparents were from Hungary.

Dogan Sinar said...

I am Turkish. Looks like i am quite the mixture that totals some where around 40% Asia, 60% Europe.. Hard to say cuz, I seem to have some of almost every population in the list.

Amerindian -
Arabian 1.21%
Armenian 2.70%
Basque 0.09%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.38%
East_African -
East_Asian 1.55%
East_Balkan 8.14%
East_Central_Asian 2.57%
East_Central_Euro 5.26%
East_Med 10.49%
Eastern_Euro 2.11%
Fennoscandian 0.49%
French 0.61%
Iberian 6.42%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 12.76%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 7.90%
North_African 0.72%
North_Atlantic 0.19%
North_Caucasian 16.16%
North_Sea 2.95%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.62%
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 3.98%
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 4.56%
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.66%
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.52%
West_Med 0.99%

Dogan Sinar said...

So looks like I have just about 2/3 of possible regions in my genes with 45-55 % Asian and rest European + Meddit. in total

Amerindian -
Arabian 1.21%
Armenian 2.70%
Basque 0.09%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 4.38%
East_African -
East_Asian 1.55%
East_Balkan 8.14%
East_Central_Asian 2.57%
East_Central_Euro 5.26%
East_Med 10.49%
Eastern_Euro 2.11%
Fennoscandian 0.49%
French 0.61%
Iberian 6.42%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 12.76%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 7.90%
North_African 0.72%
North_Atlantic 0.19%
North_Caucasian 16.16%
North_Sea 2.95%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.62%
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 3.98%
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 4.56%
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.66%
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.52%
West_Med 0.99%

anen said...

Correction on arabian & french %

Amerindian 50.99%
Iberian 9.18%
North_Sea 5.38%
Italian 3.68%
East_African 3.59%
North_Atlantic 3.57%
North_African 3.38%
Siberian 3.37%
Basque 2.90%
East_Central_Asian 2.24%
Arabian 1.72%
Pygmy 1.50%
East_Med 1.32%
North_Caucasian 1.25%
West_African 1.25%
French 1.10%
Central_Euro 0.80%
Indo-Chinese 0.74%
West_Caucasian 0.71%
Fennoscandian 0.43%
Omotic 0.34%
Eastern_Euro 0.33%
Oceanian 0.09%
West_Med 0.08%
South_Asian 0.07%

Quinta Wilkinson said...

Results
I am a bit excited as this seems to be the most detailed report I have seen. It pulls out what was lumped in northern European as a large group in a lot of places and seems to show my U5b1 as nothing else did.

Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 3.41%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 6.00%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 2.82%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 4.97%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 1.95%
Fennoscandian 12.81%
French 2.64%
Iberian 15.45%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 9.65%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 16.10%
North_Caucasian 3.20%
North_Sea 19.58%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 1.42%
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -

Quinta Wilkinson said...

Here are my results and they seem to show my U5b1 as no other test did. If it was there it was lumped in with northern European.
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 3.41%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 6.00%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 2.82%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 4.97%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 1.95%
Fennoscandian 12.81%
French 2.64%
Iberian 15.45%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 9.65%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 16.10%
North_Caucasian 3.20%
North_Sea 19.58%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 1.42%
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -

Patty Grossman said...

Very new to this and not understanding the discussion very well. Trying to pin down an unknown grandfather with unknown ancestry (told he was Jewish, but not seeing any evidence of this in any test so far, including Jtest). Other three grandparents are all some mix of English, Scottish, Irish, and there is also some Cherokee/Choctaw in one grandparent though, again, no evidence of this in the tests. Wondering if there is anything else I can do to try to pin down my grandfather's ancestry, or should I assume that he is from the same pool as my other three grandparents? Also, should I assume that the Mediterranean components are all ancient ancestry? Thanks!

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 3.84%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 6.72%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 1.99%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 3.57%
Fennoscandian 14.25%
French 9.80%
Iberian 10.99%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 10.32%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 13.24%
North_Caucasian 0.70%
North_Sea 20.06%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 0.23%
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.47%
West_African -
West_Caucasian 0.66%
West_Med 2.15%

Davidski said...

Fairly high Mediterranean ancestry proportions are common among Western Europeans. These represent ancient stuff dating back to the Neolithic and Bronze Age.

Have you tried the EUtest 4 ancestors Oracle? That might be able to give you some clues about your unknown grandfather.

Unknown said...

Hi David!
While waiting for my AncestryDNA raw data to be processed at GEDmatch, I got impatient and tried DIYDodecad for a sneak peek :). Ran the Eurogenes K35, and am intrigued... but also a newbie.

Known/paper ancestry for both sides is Irish (Wexford, in the southeast), and Native American (my grandfather looked it very much, but the only explicit ancestral connection is in the late 1700s - no luck with records after that). Since both sides of my family - with exception from the known Irish strand - have been in America since the Mayflower, so in many cases, surnames are the only clue to ethnicity.

Here's what DIYDodecad gave me (after I converted my AncestryDNA raw data into 23andme format, as I was directed to do):

2.07% Basque
10.47% Central_Euro
3.98% East_Balkan
4.45% East_Central_Euro
0.66% East_Med
0.94% Eastern_Euro
10.08% Fennoscandian
7.82% French
17.74% Iberian
5.84% Italian
13.30% North_Atlantic
4.96% North_Caucasian
16.31% North_Sea
0.32% Volga-Ural
1.06% West_Med

Interestingly, none of the American Indian (Ancestry DNA gave me 92% British Isles, 8% unknown - I wondered if the American Indian was comprised in the unknown portion).

How should I make heads/tails of these results? Are there population averages somewhere that I can compare my results to?

Thanks for all of your hard work, fascinating tools!

Leah

KatieR said...

I'm roughly 2/3's German/French (Rhine River area) and 1/3 Irish/Scottish/English,

North_Sea-14.97%
Iberian-14.62%
North_Atlantic-14.22%
Italian-12.38%
East_Central_Euro-7.84%
French-6.33%
Central_Euro-6.01%
Fennoscandian-6.01%
East_Balkan-5.87%
Eastern_Euro-4.39%
West_Caucasian-4.35%
North_African-0.98%
East_Med-0.80%
West_Med-0.77%
South_Central_Asian-0.24%
Volga-Ural-0.21%

I'd be interested in seeing the averages by country. For example, the North-African component is intriguing. I also have both parents and two grandparents tested, and my father is the only one with this component besides myself at 1.60%. His father is deceased, but I from what I have, this has to be from him.

Another odd piece is the North Sea component. My maternal grandfather is at 19.73%, mother at 21.84%, while I only have 14.97%, which is basically the same as my father and paternal grandmother. My mother and father have very similar ancestries and are both roughly 2/3's German 1/3 British Isles. Both of my living grandparents are more German at 81% (paternal Grandma) and 75% (maternal grandpa).

Davidski said...

Unfortunately, I don't have any population averages for the K36. The problem is that I used up all of my references to do it, so I can't use them for averages. Someone should organize a spreadsheet, and then eventually put some averages together. Otherwise, comparing to other individuals who've posted their results here or elsewhere is the way to go.

But there's always the EUtest, which does have a sheet of averages to go with it, and also a set of oracle tools at GEDmatch.

Onur said...

Looks like i am quite the mixture that totals some where around 40% Asia, 60% Europe..

So looks like I have just about 2/3 of possible regions in my genes with 45-55 % Asian and rest European + Meddit. in total


Don't take the names of the components literally. Their names are mnemonic and were chosen based on the region or population the components peak in. In order to find your place in the worldwide genetic variation, you should compare your results to those of other individuals (the results of other Turkish individuals and individuals from the neighboring populations would be especially informative).

Lastly, European and Asian are not valid racial categories, as West Asians racially/genetically cluster with Europeans rather than with the rest of Asians.

Tavia Reid said...

Hi David I was wondering how can I find out if I have Spanish ancestry in me? Which test do I take because one of my results had African Caribbean.

Davidski said...

Take the EUtest at GEDmatch and run the oracles. If you have recent Spanish ancestry it'll show up in the oracle results.

CatchingAllTheSouls said...

I am half Scandinavian (other half is mainly English/Irish/possibly some Spanish..) I just copied and pasted the main results from the largest numbers. The rest looked like white noise. Would you say that this looks accurate then for my ancestry?

Iberian 16.15%
North_Atlantic 14.74%
North_Sea 14.09%
Italian 12.39%
Fennoscandian 10.44%
Central_Euro 9.25%
East_Central_Euro 6.85%
Eastern_Euro 2.60%

Unknown said...

Hi David,
My name is Leah. I ran the EUtest Oracle-x, PCT1 and my highest match was Cornish (65%) followed by English (25%) then Scottish (6%).

Since three out of four lines in my family (maternal grandparents and paternal grandfather lineage) have been in America since the early 1600s, my estimates of my own genealogy are fuzzy.

However, I know there is recent Irish. There's also Native American (grandfather and his family really had the physical characteristics, but only documented evidence is a woman named La Coh Ha La way back in 1775). Family also says there's German and Welsh; maybe French, though I'm not sure where that idea comes from.

When I ran the Eurogenes K36, I showed no AmerIndian (the K-11 gave me %0.49). My highest percentages were:
16% Iberian
13% North Sea
12% North Atlantic

Should I somehow be able to assimilate the varying info from the different admixtures into a coherent whole, or do they stand alone? What conclusions could I draw from matching Cornish on the Oracle-x... and what about the (high?) Iberian percentages, considering my recent ancestry?

Thank you!
Leah

P.S. I don't know why Google isn't logging me in. Some of my chromosome paintings, etc., are visible at leahnoel.wordpress.com.

CatchingAllTheSouls said...

I also got a high Cornish percentage on the EUtest. I am curious as Ancestry.com had me at 52 percent Scandinavian. Very contradictory results indeed! I am not sure what these results mean. Haha.

Davidski said...

Leah,

The results show that you're of overwhelmingly western British and Irish descent (as opposed to eastern English or Orcadian). It's not really possible to be more specific because of a lack of regional UK and Irish reference samples. But even if these were available, it'd still be very difficult to give precise ancestry proportions from specific areas of the UK, because there's not much genetic differentiation within the UK and Ireland.

By the way, keep in mind that in the K36 native Brits and Irish get fairly high Iberian and Italian ancestry proportions. This is due to ancient gene flow from the Mediterranean to Northwestern Europe.

Also, if you're seeing less than 1% Amerindian admixture in these sorts of tests, then this is unlikely to be anything but noise caused by ancient allele sharing between Europeans and Amerindians.

But that doesn't mean you didn't have a fully Amerindian ancestor within the last 10 generations. The problem is that admixture disappears very quickly unless there's a steady flow of it. So if you only had one Amerindian ancestor going back a couple hundred years, and that person was already partly mixed anyway, then there's a good chance their Amerindian DNA has basically disappeared from your pedigree by now.

CatchingAllTheSouls,

I've heard that Ancestry.com overestimates Scandinavian ancestry. I don't know how true that is, because I haven't looked into the issue, but certainly, it seems that lots of people with no known Scandinavian ancestry are getting unexpectedly high Scandinavian scores there. Perhaps it'd be better for Ancestry.com to refer to that component as North-Central European or Continental Germanic?

Unknown said...

Wow, thank you so much, David! I really appreciate you answering my question so thoroughly and for all the work you've done creating these excellent tools.

For the record, AncestryDNA gave me 92% British Isles and 8% unknown, so perhaps in my case it was accurate. No Scandinavian surprises for me. :)

Leah

Unknown said...

One more question, sorry: Are you distinguishing between native/western Brits and eastern English BC western Brits are genetically closer to the Briton Celts, or am I reading too much into it? Would that explain the high Cornish match?

I also got 10-ish% Central Europe on K-36. Not sure if that changes much in the interpretation of my results.

Leah

Davidski said...

Yes, basically western UK populations are mostly of native British descent, while the eastern UK has substantial late influence from northwest Germany and Denmark. Also, the Orkneys are different from both, largely due to isolation and drift, as well as higher Norse ancestry. That's basically what my tests are picking up. You can read more about that in this new article on the PoBI project.

http://d3gjvvs65ernan.cloudfront.net/OT-TT-2013.pdf

Chad Rohlfsen said...

Where can I download the files to try to run my genome? I went to the Microsoft site and it wasn't available. Can I use my 23andMe data? Is there a readme file with instructions on running the program? Thanks

CatchingAllTheSouls said...

What is the difference between Pct. Calc. Option 1 and 2?

Davidski said...

It's just a slightly different algorithm. But I don't know what the practical difference is? You might have to ask John at GEDmatch.

Brooke Fiechter said...

When you say that a fairly high percentage of something can date back to Neolithic and Bronze Age.... I'm confused. If say someone shows 15% Western Mediterranean, that isn't "necessarily" recent?

Davidski said...

Ancestry proportions only indicate recent admixture for an individual if they're clearly higher for this individual than is expected for others of very similar ancestry.

In other words, people in Western and Northwestern Europe show a lot of Mediterranean genetic influence because of population movements from the Mediterranean up north during the late Neolithic/Bronze Age. However, those who have recent ancestry from the Mediterranean region will show even more Mediterranean influence in their genomes.

Also, nope, I don't have any Swiss reference samples. This means that Germans have to stand in for Swiss Germans, French for French Swiss, and North Italians for Swiss Italians.

Brooke Fiechter said...

David, you stated, "The main purpose of the Eurogenes K36 is to help users unravel the ethnic origins of local areas of their genomes (aka. half-segments), hence the high number of ancestral categories, some of which are very specific." What do you mean by "local areas"? My K36 result shows some vague categories like East Balkan and Eastern Europe (many counties could comprise either of these), but it also showed a very specific one: Armenian, though only at 3.90%. Is it an accurate assumption then that the Armenian, being highly specific, is probably representative of me actually having some Armenian ancestry? And at 3.90% could it just be noise?
Thank you for your time

Davidski said...

"Local" in this context refers to small stretches of the genome, as opposed to "global" which means the entire genome.

The categories are relatively specific, because there are a lot of them, but the results won't tell you if the alleles are only being described as Armenian-like or they're actually of Armenian origin. Also, there's no way to tell if the results indicate recent gene flow, or something going back to the Neolithic or even Mesolithic.

To see whether you do have some Armenian ancestry from within the past few hundred years, you need to check whether you share segments in that area of your genome with people from Armenia and surrounds. You can do that at GEDmatch and perhaps also at the company at which you tested.

TribalCat said...

I'm an American.

Here's what I know through genealogy:

Maternal: Filipino, Hawaiian, Chinese, Spanish
Paternal: Basque, Spanish, Cuban, Puerto Rican (Spanish/Taino/African), French, Norwegian

Here are my K36 results:

2.99% Amerindian
6.29% Basque
0.12% Central African
0.30% Central European
5.62% East Asian
1.81% East Central European
1.53% Fennoscandian
14.43% Iberian
9.05% Indo-Chinese
6.49% Italian
20.21% Malayan
2.59% Near Eastern
0.77% North African
3.50% North Sea
5.63% Oceanian
0.51% Pygmy
10.62% South Chinese
3.48% West African
4.04% West Mediterranean

Part of our family came from a Viking who invaded Gascony and co-mingled with the Basque side of our family. Is the North Sea the British Isles? Could it just be showing up because of the Viking invasions in Britain?

Brooke Fiechter said...

David, thank you for yet another response! If the results have the capacity to indicate genes from thousands of years ago, how can the percentages possibly be so high? This just has me stumped. I don't understand this percentage thing at all. For example, if my great-great-great grandmother was (fill in the blank), I would only be roughly 3% of that. Much less something from a 20th great grandparent.

Davidski said...

The percentages are so high because these components are part of the genetic structure of your gene pool. They entered the gene pool when it was very small, and as it grew since then, but remained fairly homogenous, these components weren't lost. So you're not only getting these proportions from one grand parent, but all four.

What you're referring to only applies to admixture which enters the gene pool way past its formative stage, and is then quickly lost (ie. bred out) unless there's a steady flow of this influence into the gene pool over time, or alternatively a massive rush of it.

Brooke Fiechter said...

Thanks! So if I understand you correctly, any given people group (either in a couple of my lines, yielding a % because of the combined effect or in a single line) has to remain consistent for my DNA results to yield a percentage? But if that particular people group seizes several generations prior through intermarriage and is phased out, I would not see a percentage? Like let's say I had an Armenian relative at the 10th great grandparent level, but they married an Italian and that person married an Italian and so on and so forth.... would I likely NOT see a percentage of Armenian then, assuming that no one else in my line was part Armenian?

Davidski said...

It's unlikely that you'd see a segment of Armenian origin in your genome from 10 generations ago.

It's more likely that it's an Armenian-like segment from the Bronze Age or earlier, and probably constructed from several smaller segments from a number of ancestors.

In other words, this segment is more likely to be identical-by-state (IBS) as opposed to identity-by-descent (IBD).

Brooke Fiechter said...

Oh wow, now I'm really confused! So in any given DNA test, it is impossible to tell if something is IBD vs. IBS? Doesn't that make the whole idea of it pointless then? That's extremely disappointing to me....

Davidski said...

Yes, it's possible. IBD is inherited via a single pedigree line. That part of the genome will also match other people precisely or almost precisely in various IBD tools, often of the same or similar ethnic origins, and not just by showing the same or similar admixture proportions.

On the other hand, IBS segments are often composites of fragments from a variety of unrelated family lines, and you won't see any hits in those areas in IBD tools from, say, Armenia or surrounds, even when admixture tests show very strong affinity to Armenians and related populations in that part of the genome.

Brooke Fiechter said...

David, regarding your above response, how does that translate to your Eurogenes platforms? Is there any way for me to distinguish if my results are IBD vs. IBS? For example, can I assume that anything above a certain percentage is likely IBD?

Davidski said...

No, you need to cross check these results with those from other tools, like the Ancestry/Relative Finders at 23andMe, Family Finder at FTDNA, and the genetic genealogy tools at GEDmatch.

Wesley Wyatt said...

I am adopted and I have been told that my ancestry is 5/8 English, 1/8 Dutch, 1/8 French and 1/8 German. Based on the results below does that seem correct?

Amerindian 0.26%
Basque 0.45%
Central_Euro 5.55%
East_Central_Euro 6.48%
Eastern_Euro 3.55%
Fennoscandian 10.01%
French 7.38%
Iberian 16.76%
Italian 5.84%
North_Atlantic 19.83%
North_Sea 19.79%
South_Central_Asian 3.92%
West_Med 0.16%

Davidski said...

I'm not sure. Perhaps try the EUtest Oracles and see if the results match your assumed origins?

Wesley Wyatt said...

Well, I ran that and it gave these results. There seems to be some similarities but some striking differences as well:

SOUTH_BALTIC 12.20%
EAST_EURO 11.07%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 29.07%
ATLANTIC 28.49%
WEST_MED 10.56%
EAST_MED 2.28%
WEST_ASIAN 4.05%
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN 1.46%
EAST_AFRICAN -
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN 0.81%

Davidski said...

I was referring to the EUtest Oracle results.

ethersworn said...

I'm new to admixture analyses, and I keep seeing people say I should "compare my results to those of other individuals". How does one go about this? Is there some sort of database where I can see the profiles/results of many different "english" or "irish" people?

Davidski said...

There's no central database, just different blogs and forums, like here.

But please note that the EUtest and Jtest population averages are available at the link below. These tests also have ethnic classification tools linked to them (aka. Oracles).

http://bga101.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/eurogenes-ashkenazim-ancestry-test-files.html

anen said...

I don't know much about Vikings/travel/DNA, but I have a higher North_Sea than you (5.38%) and I'm Mexican! Plus North_Atlantic & Eastern_Euro while you don't.

No known Viking ancestry in my family. The only European ancestry my parents know of is Spanish.

I have rosacea (red flushed cheeks) & that's the primary reason why I ran this test. I wish it was noise but it isn't, my lil nephew inherited rosacea too.

ethersworn said...

Greetings David,

I saw in Leah's post above that you were able to distinguish western British and Irish from eastern English or Orcadian. Was her high Iberian percent the mark of western British?

With results like the following, are you able to make a similar distinction?

18.35% North Atlantic
17.55% North Sea
15.75% Iberian
10.66% Central European (German-like Utahns & Hungarians)
6.57% French
6.38% Fennoscandinavian
6.03% Eastern European
4.67% Italian
3.93% Eastern Central European
2.92% Basque
2.17% Western Mediterranean
1.85% Volga-Ural
1.10% South Central Asian (Pakistani)

Thanks,
Axton

Davidski said...

I can't based on those results, because the K36 isn't really designed for that.

If you run the EUtest and the various Oracles linked to that you should get a direct answer whether you're more similar to the Eastern English than to the Western Brits/Irish.

anen said...

Interesting I'm mexican & I just ran this test; No Spanish "ES" listed for me!?! How do you explain my results?

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 KZ + KZ + Scottish + Selkup @ 11.841
2 IE + KZ + KZ + Selkup @ 11.884
3 KZ + KZ + Orcadian + Selkup @ 12.041
4 Cornish + KZ + KZ + Selkup @ 12.099
5 DK + KZ + KZ + Selkup @ 12.152
6 English + KZ + KZ + Selkup @ 12.226
7 KZ + KZ + NL + Selkup @ 12.512
8 DK + KZ + KZ + KZ @ 12.580
9 KZ + KZ + NO + Selkup @ 12.634
10 KZ + KZ + Selkup + West_&_Central_German @ 12.694
11 IE + KZ + KZ + KZ @ 12.751
12 KZ + KZ + KZ + Scottish @ 12.764
13 KZ + KZ + Selkup + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 12.862
14 KZ + KZ + KZ + Orcadian @ 12.863
15 FR + KZ + KZ + Selkup @ 12.905
16 French_Basque + KZ + KZ + Selkup @ 12.918
17 KZ + KZ + KZ + NO @ 12.919
18 Cornish + KZ + KZ + KZ @ 12.957
19 KZ + KZ + KZ + North_Swedish @ 13.002
20 English + KZ + KZ + KZ @ 13.064

Davidski said...

Because it's a test for Europeans, so it doesn't include any Amerindian reference samples. This is likely to skew the results for Hispanic/Latino users.

anen said...

I am aware of that. I only focused on the 1/4 euro part since I'm roughly that (34% actually) & disregarded the rest. What I posted above was Oracle-4, when I ran the other Oracle Spanish did come up, ranking #16 "74.9% KZ + 25.1% ES @ 13.96"

I was curious why I suffer from Rosacea a condition that affects northern europeans. The sole reason why I'm running these tests.

CatchingAllTheSouls said...

I used to think I was one hundred percent English but clearly there is something in my ancestry that I am not aware of. I have a higher central european percentage than anyone else I have seen:

Amerindian 0.06%
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 2.11%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 9.25%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.26%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 6.85%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 2.60%
Fennoscandian 10.44%
French 5.20%
Iberian 16.15%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 12.39%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African 0.87%
North_Atlantic 14.74%
North_Caucasian 0.29%
North_Sea 14.09%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 0.10%
South_Central_Asian 0.55%
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 3.07%

Onur YILDIZ said...

I'm Turkish from in Ordu Blacksea region.

Eurogenes K36
0.02% Amerindian
4.93% Arabian
10.69% Armenian
0.00% Basque
0.00% Central_African
0.05% Central_Euro
0.00% East_African
0.26% East_Asian
6.15% East_Balkan
3.29% East_Central_Asian
0.46% East_Central_Euro
16.62% East_Med
0.00% Eastern_Euro
0.00% Fennoscandian
1.28% French
0.87% Iberian
0.00% Indo-Chinese
3.55% Italian
0.00% Malayan
12.75% Near_Eastern
0.00% North_African
0.25% North_Atlantic
20.80% North_Caucasian
0.02% North_Sea
0.00% Northeast_African
0.00% Oceanian
0.00% Omotic
0.00% Pygmy
2.43% Siberian
0.00% South_Asian
9.63% South_Central_Asian
0.04% South_Chinese
0.68% Volga-Ural
0.00% West_African
5.18% West_Caucasian
0.06% West_Med

DRGHD said...

I'm African American and have varying degrees of west and central African, British, French, Malagasy, Moroccan, Romani, German, Jewish, and Amerindian ancestry.

Amerindian 0.15%
Arabian 0.26%
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African 4.64%
Central_Euro 1.10%
East_African 6.38%
East_Asian 1.13%
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 4.98%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian 0.56%
French 0.97%
Iberian 5.20%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 3.19%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African 1.16%
North_Atlantic 2.97%
North_Caucasian 0.71%
North_Sea 2.92%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy 3.53%
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African 58.68%
West_Caucasian 0.47%
West_Med 1.00%

Geay Varrey said...

A Finn here, with some recent known admixture - my paternal grandmother was Ingrian and my mother's father's grandfather of unknown origin but some oral tradition place him in Poland or Prussia. The Ingrian explains the Volga-Uralic component quite neatly, but I must say I was bit taken aback by the Basque and Oceanian in the results. Though 23andMe does pick up East - and South Asian in a very low does in both me and my mother....Interesting stuff! Thanks for having this tool available!

Fennoscandian 67.89%
East_Central_Euro 7.00%
Eastern_Euro 6.35%
North_Atlantic 4.80%
Volga-Ural 4.79%
Central_Euro 4.07%
North_Sea 2.25%
Siberian 1.92%
East_Balkan 0.65%
Oceanian 0.18%
Basque 0.11%

Efim45 said...

RU19 in the project; all four grandparents born in Russia.
Father's father: mixed Russian and Mordvin
Father's mother: mixed Russian and Pole
Mother's father: Ashkenazi
Mother's mother: mixed Russian and German

Results above 2%:
16.7% Fennoscandian
16.6% East Central Euro
14.9% Eastern Euro
11.7% Iberian
8.0% East Balkan
7.0% North Atlantic
4.6% East Med
4.1% North Caucasian
2.9% French
2.5% Arabian
2.5% Armenian
2.4% Central Euro
2.0% Volga Ural

Anatolian Turkmen said...

Turkish cousin:

Population
Amerindian 0.11%
Arabian 2.55%
Armenian 9.66%
Basque 2.45%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 2.45%
East_African -
East_Asian 0.89%
East_Balkan 3.85%
East_Central_Asian 3.72%
East_Central_Euro 1.53%
East_Med 10.83%
Eastern_Euro 5.27%
Fennoscandian 0.21%
French -
Iberian 3.77%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 8.16%
Malayan 0.62%
Near_Eastern 8.55%
North_African -
North_Atlantic 1.48%
North_Caucasian 8.20%
North_Sea 0.73%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.90%
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 4.05%
South_Asian 0.17%
South_Central_Asian 8.23%
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.57%
West_African -
West_Caucasian 7.22%
West_Med 3.83%

CatchingAllTheSouls said...

Here are my oracle results for Eurogenes EU test:

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.8% West_&_Central_German + 28.2% French_Basque @ 3.28
2 59.9% FR + 40.1% Scottish @ 3.47
3 57.9% Cornish + 42.1% FR @ 3.52
4 76.6% Cornish + 23.4% ES @ 3.55
5 73.8% NL + 26.2% French_Basque @ 3.64
6 77.8% Cornish + 22.2% PT @ 3.75
7 57.8% FR + 42.2% Orcadian @ 3.79
8 82.6% Cornish + 17.4% North_Italian @ 3.88
9 59.3% FR + 40.7% IE @ 3.98
10 64.3% Orcadian + 35.7% ES @ 3.98
11 61.8% Scottish + 38.2% ES @ 4.06
12 62.4% Scottish + 37.6% PT @ 4.12
13 93.2% Cornish + 6.8% Sardinian @ 4.14
14 87.4% Cornish + 12.6% Tuscan @ 4.24
15 75.6% English + 24.4% French_Basque @ 4.27
16 85.4% Cornish + 14.6% French_Basque @ 4.31
17 65.4% Orcadian + 34.6% PT @ 4.34
18 54.7% FR + 45.3% English @ 4.35
19 68.7% English + 31.3% ES @ 4.4
20 63.7% IE + 36.3% ES @ 4.44

CatchingAllTheSouls said...

What does that look like to you? Does this mean that I have too many European ethnicities in my DNA for the calculator to really give me a straight answer? Other kits I have run through seem to be more constant throughout. Mine goes all over.

Jeannie said...

Cool!

Iberian 18.11%
North Atlantic 15.91%
North Sea 12.68%
Fennoscandian 10.19%
French 8.45%
East Central Euro 8.14%
Central Euro 6.23%
Eastern Euro 5.34%
West Med 3.25%
Italian 3.22%
Near Eastern 2.86%
Basque 2.32%
North Caucasian 2.06%
East Med 1.22%

rinkg said...

Hi there, I am 100% French as far as I know from the West coast near La Rochelle and here are my K36 results. Seems pretty much in line with what I got from Family finder. Almost forgot to mention that I have a lot of unknown ancestors so anything is possible. I am K1a3a and my dad is R-L21+ and VC72T!

Basque 1.16%
Central_Euro 5.59%
East_Balkan 5.67%
East_Central_Euro 2.79%
Eastern_Euro 3.58%
Fennoscandian 0.71%
French 6.68%
Iberian 31.01%
Italian 19.21%
North_African 0.50%
North_Atlantic 8.69%
North_Sea 6.93%
West_Med 7.48%





António Vitor said...

I am from near the bell beaker possible beginning (my family birth place are very neat to the tagus estuary...near lisbon...

And it shows with higher Iberian values...
Even after some invasions, romans, the visigoths and moors...

comparing this with an western french (rinkg), and a northern portuguese (Eduardo Pinto) its obvious that this region received diferent people (visigoths instead of suebi) in the north... (more usual northern german clusters in the northern Portugal) so I just have more north central eastern european than him...

What confuses me, is why I have smaller quantities of northern african, mideast, the arabe is previsible... (moors)

but I have more iberian, maybe the germanic impact in the north was just bigger...

My values:


eurogenes k36

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 4.12%
Armenian 1.36%
Basque 1.86%
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.22%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 4.63%
East_Med 2.35%
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian 1.62%
French 5.93%
Iberian 30.73%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 11.86%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 3.27%
North_African 4.07%
North_Atlantic 10.86%
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 6.52%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.11%
Omotic 0.09%
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 0.14%
West_Med 9.26%

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Bob Schatz said...

I'm of predominantly Germanic ethnicity: paternal grandparents were Austrian; maternal grandmother was Pennsylvania German (i.e., Rhenish, Hessian, Alsatian, Swiss); paternal grandfather was Karpatendeutsch. The last category may have brought in some Slovak, Vlach, or Hungarian. Interesting to me that K36 brought up 14% Italian - my Y Hg is G2a3a* and my closest non-family match is from Lombardy.

Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 0.88%
Basque 2.70%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 7.54%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.95%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 11.48%
East_Med 0.88%
Eastern_Euro 7.09%
Fennoscandian 10.41%
French 4.92%
Iberian 12.06%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 14.81%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 0.75%
North_African -
North_Atlantic 11.12%
North_Caucasian 3.43%
North_Sea 9.58%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 0.09%
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.22%
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 0.07%

Gail said...

my son adopted from Guatemala has the following results - kind of surprised no Iberian. Also how is the Siberian different from the Amerindian.

Thanks!

Amerindian 86.95%
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian 1.71%
East_Balkan 0.83%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 1.02%
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese 0.43%
Italian -
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.44%
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 7.20%
South_Asian 0.49%
South_Central_Asian 0.86%
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -

Davidski said...

He does seem to have very little European ancestry, and the little he has is contained within the East Euro (North Russian and Volga Finnic) and Siberian clusters, because these are actually mixed clusters. The East Euro is obviously much more European than East Eurasian, and the Siberian much more East Eurasian than European, but they're both mixed.

Also, the reason the Siberian score is so high is because the Amerindian cluster is based on too few samples, and doesn't capture all the diversity in the Americans, which actually derives from Siberia.

anen said...

He like full blooded native! Thanks for sharing Gail, now I can decipher what populations come from my native heritage.

My asian populations I share & don't share with your son:

Amerindian 50.99%
Siberian 3.37%
East_Central_Asian 2.24% (I don't share with your son instead he has South_Central_Asian while I don't)
Indo-Chinese 0.74%
Eastern_Euro 0.33%
Oceanian 0.09%
South_Asian 0.07%

Total= 57.83% my native heritage OR 57.5% -east euro (didn't make much difference still rounds to 58%).

I do not have South_Central_Asian, East_Asian nor East_Balkan while your son does.

I think the presence of asian/euroasian blood is most likely ancient admixture natives picked up as they traveled through asia before crossing the Bering Strait because I sure don't have a Chinese/Russian ancestor.

Ruben astro said...

These are my results:

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 1.10%
Basque 4.71%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 7.54%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 2.44%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 1.37%
East_Med 3.15%
Eastern_Euro 1.26%
Fennoscandian 2.66%
French 8.46%
Iberian 10.70%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 20.90%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 9.02%
North_African -
North_Atlantic 7.63%
North_Caucasian 6.93%
North_Sea 9.11%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.25%
West_Med 1.77%

Angie T. said...

Mixed bag of British/Swedish ancestry with a bit of German as well. The Swedish may have some Sami mixed in. Some of the MDLP utilities show Sami. Thoughts?

Amerindian 0.35%
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 0.27%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 5.90%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.12%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 4.32%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 6.29%
Fennoscandian 14.03%
French 10.07%
Iberian 11.51%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 10.96%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 11.81%
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 21.65%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.65%
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.58%
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 0.47%

Davidski said...

You definitely have some sort of Fennoscandian ancestry, but Sami might be a stretch because of the non-existent Siberian admix.

Angie T. said...

This might sound like a stupid question, but does Fennoscandinavian mean from all over the peninsula, like the geographical area?

Davidski said...

In this context it means Finland and Northern Sweden.

Angie T. said...

Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Hi Davidski,

This might be a really silly question, but I have to ask. I am aware that the Iberian Peninsula is made up of Spain and Portugal. My K36 Results are as follows:


Amerindian 0.98%
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African 0.11%
Central_Euro 6.75%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 0.57%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 12.36%
East_Med 0.44%
Eastern_Euro 0.57%
Fennoscandian 9.75%
French 8.83%
Iberian 21.00%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 5.14%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 14.64%
North_Caucasian 0.50%
North_Sea 16.62%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.06%
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 0.10%
South_Central_Asian 0.33%
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.97%
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 0.28%


Iberian seems to be the largest percentage, quite a nice sized chunk. Does this mean that I have Portuguese and Spanish ancestry? Thank you for your help!

Kayla

Davidski said...

It depends what your ancestry is and whether you show an elevated Iberian score compared to other people of similar ancestry. Most Western Europeans will get high Iberian scores on this test, but that's due to ancient gene flow from the Atlantic fringe rather than recent Spanish or Portuguese ancestry.

Anonymous said...

Thank you...do you happen to have any tests that will show if I have any spanish or portuguese ancestry?

Ayisha Johnson said...

Greetings! I'm from exotic New Jersey and so is most of my family after relocating from Central Virginia and this is what we come up with.. 23andme said I'm basically 49% African 49% European with South and East Asian sprinkled in..K36 looks like a lot of sprinkling to me :) My haplogroup is HV.. now that is exotic according to what I've read. Thanks for this tool!

Amerindian -
Arabian 0.22%
Armenian -
Basque 0.70%
Central_African 0.50%
Central_Euro 2.79%
East_African 1.25%
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 1.36%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 2.32%
Fennoscandian 5.98%
French 2.26%
Iberian 7.04%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 3.18%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 6.33%
North_Caucasian 1.25%
North_Sea 13.52%
Northeast_African 1.48%
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy 4.12%
Siberian -
South_Asian 1.01%
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.54%
West_African 43.10%
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -

Arran Yuill said...

I am said to have English, Scottish, Irish heritage on paper...plus Romani on my mother's side (or so say the family secrets). Would these results be indicative of any populations? do you have a population reference list for the K36 test?

Basque 4.77%
Central_Euro 7.03%
East_Balkan 1.12%
East_Central_Euro 8.69%
Eastern_Euro 2.10%
Fennoscandian 9.76%
French 7.56%
Iberian 7.01%
Italian 8.31%
North_Atlantic 16.34%
North_Caucasian 3.11%
North_Sea 23.15%
South_Central_Asian 1.08%

Ruben astro said...

I forgot to mention that i'm half Dutch.
What other half would you guess with this informtation..??

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loloblog said...

Here's mine

Population
Amerindian
Arabian -
Armenian
Basque -
Central_African 4.65%
Central_Euro -
East_African 0.83%
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian -
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy 3.39%
Siberian 0.10%
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African 90.97%
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -

Feels African man.

Nancy said...

Thank you for your excellent tool (I just sent you a donation.)

My mother-in-law's four grandparents were born in the United States, but 6 of her great-grandparents came from Germany (2 each from Thuringia, Bavaria and Hessen). The other 2 great-grandparents were from Lobenstein, Austria.

mtDNA Haplogroup: H7
Y-DNA Haplogroup: R-M269

Her K36 results are:

Armenian: 0.85%
Basque: 1.49%
Central_Euro: 8.17%
East_Balkan: 2.27%
East_Central_Euro: 11.06%
Eastern_Euro: 6.58%
Fennoscandian: 5.45%
French: 6.02%
Iberian: 8.03%
Italian: 9.03%
North_Atlantic: 16.56%
North_Caucasian: 3.71%
North_Sea: 18.61%
Volga-Ural: 0.10%
West_Caucasian: 0.18%
West_Med: 1.88%

I'm still very new to DNA, so any information will be most appreciated! I'll post my own results separately.

Nancy said...

My family has been in North America (USA, Mexico and Canada) for at least ten generations, but to the best of my understanding (and continual research), my mother's lines came from Spain and possibly Cuba, and my father's from the British Isles.

mtDNA Haplogroup: Test in process
Y-DNA Haplogroup: I-M253

My K36 results:
Amerindian: 10.17%
Arabian: 1.73%
Basque: 3.69%
Central_Euro: 2.95%
East_African: 1.15%
East_Balkan: 3.29%
East_Central_Euro: 6.46%
Eastern_Euro: 3.57%
Fennoscandian: 2.19%
French: 3.90%
Iberian: 18.44%
Italian: 10.33%
Near_Eastern: 0.93%
North_African: 1.08%
North_Atlantic: 10.84%
North_Sea: 14.54%
Northeast_African: 1.10%
Oceanian: 0.25%
Omotic: 0.10%
Siberian: 1.16%
South_Central_Asian: 2.11%

Thanks for all that you do!

Davidski said...

If you're finding the output from the K36 a bit overwhelming at the moment, then try the EUtest and Jtest, and all the Oracles linked to those. They might give you useful info how your family compares to my samples from West and Central Germany.

Brian L said...

So these are my results. What they mean, I haven't a clue. I'm still playing around with this stuff. If anybody wants to lend their insight on what this means or a way I could use it to further my search I'm open to any ideas. And let me not forget to thank the creator of these programs for the time and effort you put into it.


Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 4.16%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 8.90%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 2.93%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 8.55%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 0.77%
Fennoscandian 8.26%
French 7.62%
Iberian 14.75%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 12.94%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 12.86%
North_Caucasian 1.06%
North_Sea 15.31%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.50%
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 1.38%

zerocrossing said...

Question: What are the modern national or ethnic dividing lines between North Atlantic and North Sea?

Anyway, here's my ancestry:

75% descendent of U.S. colonial mid-South (mostly British Isles, with some German, French, and reputed Cherokee)

25% descendent of late-19th century German immigrants

Here are my results:

Population
Central_Euro 7.77%
East_Balkan 5.65%
East_Central_Euro 9.43%
Eastern_Euro 2.50%
Fennoscandian 8.52%
French 7.53%
Iberian 16.76%
Italian 7.71%
North_Atlantic 12.12%
North_Sea 19.75%
Volga-Ural 2.26%

Davidski said...

There are no clear geographic divisions between any of the European components. They all merge into each other, and this is especially true across Northern Europe, all the way from Ireland to the Volga. But their frequencies peak in different regions, and this is enough to make them useful to predict ancestry. The North Atlantic component peaks in western Ireland and western UK, while the North Sea component peaks in eastern Norway and nearby areas of Sweden.

Katie H said...

My paternal grandfather is born in Finland; all maternal great-grandparents born in Poland; paternal grandmother an unknown mix (likely English and French).

Here is my K36:
Basque 0.96%
Central_Euro 8.90%
East_Balkan 3.15%
East_Central_Euro 14.84%
Eastern_Euro 10.63%
Fennoscandian 25.71%
French 5.85%
Iberian 5.86%
North_Atlantic 11.17%
North_Sea 9.52%
Omotic 0.06%
Volga-Ural 3.34%

versus my EU test:

SOUTH_BALTIC 24.06%
EAST_EURO 19.79%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 25.16%
ATLANTIC 19.21%
WEST_MED 6.02%
EAST_MED 2.52%
WEST_ASIAN 0.97%
SOUTH_ASIAN 0.57%
EAST_AFRICAN 0.23%
SIBERIAN 1.46%

Jen said...

I have a couple of markers for specific populations of Croatia according to Promethease. Would this admix support the theory that I could be partially Croatian? (I'm adopted and have no family history other than my mother's side - British, Swedish, Scottish, German).

(Sorted)

Italian 13.30%
North_Sea 12.57%
North_Atlantic 11.53%
Central_Euro 10.32%
Iberian 10.03%
East_Central_Euro 10.02%
Fennoscandian 9.94%
French 7.17%
East_Balkan 6.05%
Eastern_Euro 5.32%
West_Med 2.39%
North_Caucasian 0.88%
Volga-Ural 0.48%

Otherwise, what population do these numbers chart closest to?

Davidski said...

For ethnic matching you should try the EUtest and Jtest, and then run all the Oracles linked to these tests. The results should tell you if you're part Balkan.

Jen said...

These seem to be the closest between EU and Jtest
1 85.8% South_&_Central_Swedish + 14.2% Sardinian @ 2.41
(Jtest oracle)(also found 3% Ashkenazi I didn't know about)

1 50% NO +25% FR +25% HU @ 3.676
(EUtest oracle4)

However on 3DJtest I plotted West Central German.
And on 3dEUtest Polish was closer.

I think I'll wait until I get 23andMe data before making any guesses. And hopefully my adoption records will be unsealed soon and I'll have the recent historical data to support one way or the other.

Thanks for responding!

zerocrossing said...

Thank you for your reply.

If the components merge into one another, I'm wondering if that might be why some of the Oracles place me square in the middle of CEU (or in West/Central Germany), when I actually have about twice the amount of known British Isles ancestors as I do known CEU ancestors.

I don't have any known Eastern European ancestors, but it's possible that my 19th century Germans came from the Wendish areas. Most of the researchers of my German immigrant family seem to think they did. Unfortunately, the documentation I've seen from these researchers is suspect.

But, IF there is a strong British Isles component, coupled with fairly solid CEU and West Slav components, would that tend to average towards CEU - given that the components merge, as on a spectrum?

I'm very new to this, so I'm trying to understand it all. Thank you for your help.

Helgenes50 said...

Hello,
Thanks for your work.

I am 100 % french, Norman from what I know
to be exact from lower Normandy

here are my K36 results


Population

Basque 3,89%
Central_Euro 5.94%
East_Central_Euro 5,74%
Eastern_Euro 2,02%
Fennoscandien 9,47%
Français 8,69%
Ibérique 13.00%
Italien 14.31%
North_Atlantic 15,44%
North_Sea 15,72%
Volga-Oural 1,13%
West_Caucasian 1,17%
West_Med 3.49%

David said...

Here are my results. From Northern Ireland. With mainly British mainland ancestry.

Basque 2.73%
Central_Euro 9.62%
East_Balkan 1.60%
East_Central_Euro 7.54%
Eastern_Euro 4.97%
Fennoscandian 7.09%
French 7.81%
Iberian 15.56%
Italian 7.51%
North_Atlantic 17.05%
North_Caucasian 1.11%
North_Sea 17.41%

And now my wife, Spanish.

Arabian 1.85%
Basque 4.42%
Central_Euro 3.94%
East_Balkan 2.05%
East_Central_Euro 2.03%
East_Med 0.91%
Eastern_Euro 1.57%
Fennoscandian 3.75%
French 5.38%
Iberian 33.42%
Italian 17.33%
Near_Eastern 0.66%
North_African 4.01%
North_Atlantic 8.45%
North_Sea 3.26%
Omotic 0.38%
West_Caucasian 0.91%
West_Med 5.65%


David Joyce said...

Hello,

I just discovered this wonderful site. I have a question, do your calculators include data from Ireland? I am asking, because historically my family comes from Ireland. With this in mind, does IE stand for Ireland in your program?

Davidski said...

Yes, IE is Ireland.

David Joyce said...

Hello again,

After reviewing my results even further and researching my family history, I ran into a few more questions that you may be able to help me with.

I read that my family come from Normandy, then to England and then to Ireland where they stayed.

I ran an EUtest and got this:

SOUTH_BALTIC 12.43%
EAST_EURO 12.05%
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 24.41%
ATLANTIC 27.24%
WEST_MED 13.96%
EAST_MED 4.50%
WEST_ASIAN 5.41%

I then ran a Eutest(Orcale-4 test) and got this:

Cornish @ 4.150
2 NL @ 5.050
3 West_&_Central_German @ 5.589
4 English @ 6.148
5 Orcadian @ 6.294
6 IE @ 6.527
7 Scottish @ 8.215
8 DK @ 8.880
9 FR @ 9.207
10 NO @ 10.658



Do you think that the historic account is correct? or do I need to run a different test?

Thanks for your time,

David

Davidski said...

That looks like an outcome I've seen for some users from southern England.

But if you're saying that most of your recent ancestors were Irish, then that result doesn't really look right. On the other hand, if you're of mixed English and Irish origin, then it makes a bit more sense. However, it would make most sense if you were a white American of English and other western European stock, like Dutch and German.

David Joyce said...

Ah yes, you are correct on both fronts!I am an American, and yes, my mother is English and has several English families in her related relatives.

In addition, the tradition says that the Joyces came from Wales to Ireland. But I am curious, does the DNA of Southern England match closely with the DNA of Wales?

Thanks much

Davidski said...

Yes, from what I've seen the Welsh shown similar EUtest ancestry proportions to the Cornish and other western and southern English.

Infidel said...

East_Central_Euro 15.16%
Central_Euro 10.00%
Italian 9.22%
Eastern_Euro 9.11%
Iberian 8.53%
North_Atlantic 8.39%
East_Balkan 7.98%
French 6.45%
Near_Eastern 5.33%
Fennoscandian 5.10%
North_Sea 4.74%
Armenian 3.66%
West_Med 2.90%
North_Caucasian 1.50%
Volga-Ural 1.47%
Arabian 0.37%
Basque 0.11%

All of my recent (4-5 gen) ancestors are Hungarians. My paternal line Y-DNA is J2b* (M205-, M241-) and I have a distant Armenian match. My maternal grandfather's were German settlers who moved to Hungary XVIII. century. Mí mtDNA haplogroup is U5 (most probably U5b2b1b - I've ordered only HV1+HV2).

How could I have nearly 30% Mediterranean admixture (Iberian+Italian+French+WestMed)? What more can be seen from my results?

Davidski said...

Iberians, Italians and especially French aren't 100% Mediterranean.

Infidel said...

Yeah, I understand. But considering what I've written about my ancestors do you have any specific guess about an alternate line in my family? Or is it a typical admixture for Hungarians?

Davidski said...

The K36 isn't designed for that sort of thing, it's designed to give hints about minor local admixture. You need to look at the results from the EUtest and Jtest and all the oracles linked to them.

Mandy Shurak said...

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 0.11%
Basque 1.44%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 5.17%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 4.02%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 11.28%
East_Med 1.02%
Eastern_Euro 12.85%
Fennoscandian 10.34%
French 6.95%
Iberian 3.79%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 9.00%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 19.61%
North_Caucasian 2.60%
North_Sea 10.90%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.92%
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -

Michael Collins said...

Thank you for providing this wonderful and useful resource. I'm still learning how to use it correctly, and I apologize if my question is basic or ill-founded.

I've run both my data and my mother's through Eurogenes l36. We are both from Newfoundland, which has a fairly homogenous population comprised mostly of people from southeastern Ireland (Waterford and environs) and southwestern England (Devon, Dorset, etc). However, I don't actually know the specifics of my family history (we've traced back to the 1700s but we're still on the island; this is not unusual). On other tests available on GEDMatch, Oracle ranked Cornish, IE, and English very high for both myself and my mother, as I'd expect.

My question regarding k36 is this: how useful are the 'lesser' results? For example, I had 0.26% Amerindian. My mother had 0.0. Is this a useful indication of distant Amerindian ancestry on my father's side (he has not been tested, but will be soon), or is it statistically insignificant?

For reference, here are my results:

North Sea 22.76%
Iberian 19.65%
North Atlantic 17.93%
French 8.62%
Italian 6.81%
Fennoscandia 6.63%
Eastern Euro 4.61%
EastCentral EU 4.44%
Basque 3.67%
Central Euro 2.58%
West Medit. 0.98%
West Caucasian 0.65%
North Caucasian 0.42%
Amerindian 0.26%


And here are my mother's:

North Atlantic 17.61%
North Sea 16.55%
Iberian 14.45%
Italian 11.07%
French 8.33%
Fennoscandian 7.43%
East Central EU 5.50%
Eastern Euro 4.70%
Central Euro 4.18%
North Caucasian 3.41%
Basque 2.88%
West Medit. 2.21%
West Caucasian 1.61%
Arabian 0.08%

Thank you for your time, and thank you again for making this service available!

Davidski said...

Generally speaking, anything below 1% can be ignored. You can even push that up to 2% for some of the components. It's just the algorithm having a hard time assigning the alleles to the correct ancestral groups because the reference samples are somewhat admixed, etc.

But this need not be the case in all instances, and that's where a wide range of chromosome paintings come in useful. Let's say you're only getting 0.5% Amerindian. That's probably just noise, but not if all of it, or almost all of it, is sitting within a relatively large segment that shows up in the same spot in all of the chromosome paintings.

Michael Collins said...

Thank you! That's very helpful to know. Off to scrutinize chromosome paintings!

Glaucus said...

North Sea may be the Norwegian that you mentioned.

Ryan Dell'Erba said...

Davidski,

I have a couple of questions for you that I would greatly appreciate answers to when you have a moment. First, here are my results from the K36 test in order from highest to lowest, excluding all populations I scored under 3.00% on.


Iberian: 16.81%
North Atlantic: 14.91%
Italian: 12.02%
North Sea: 10.79%
French: 7.68%
North Caucasian: 7.68%
Central European: 7.43%
Fennoscandian: 5.19%
Western Mediterranean: 3.75%
South Central Asian: 3.35%
East Central European: 3.30%


For your edification, my known recent ancestry, based on records and so on is 75% Irish/English/Scottish and 25% Southern Italian. And now my questions:

1.) Is the 7.68% French significant enough given my known ancestry that I should presume I have some relatively recent French ancestry?
2.) As far as the Fennoscandian, should I make much of that, or not, and it is also worth noting that on the K12b test, I got way higher on Finnish than I would’ve expected, almost 13% I believe.
3.) What about the North Caucasian and South Central Asian? I keep getting surprisingly high results on groups such as that, including on my chromosome paintings. Is that just the Southern Italian “talking”, or what?
4.) Is the fact that Iberian is my absolute highest percentage, and the fact that on chromosome paintings I have significantly-sized chunks that come up as Iberian any indication that I may have Spanish and/or Portuguese ancestry, or is that once again the Italian and/or general European stock “talking”?
5.) Also, I know that the part of Italy where my ancestors come from has a long history of contacts with Albanians and Greeks, and I was wondering could that be playing a role here (vis-à-vis the Caucasian/South Central Asian/Western Mediterranean results) if say there was some intermarriage with Albanians and/or Greeks over the generations?

Again, I have run a number of chromosome paintings, and the Caucasian and Iberian stuff, and to a lesser extent the Finnish, seems to look very significant. I really don’t know what to make of that or the fact that Oracle has come back with British Isles stuff, and Italian, but also many instances of French Basque, as well as Greek, Georgian, and Turkish. Again, don’t know what to make of that.

I would really appreciate any insights you may have here, and thanks for this fascinating information!


Best,

Ryan

Davidski said...

I've got a new test on the way. It'll probably be called the EUtest V2. When it comes out at GEDmatch, probably within a week or so, try it, and then let me know if you still have the same questions.

Ryan Dell'Erba said...

Oh, wow, that's very exciting! Thanks, I will let you know how things turn out with that test regardless of if I still have any of the same questions or not.

Joschua Beres said...

I was adopted from what I do know about my biological family, members of which I have met, is that on my father's side I am Louisiana French-Creole and my mother's side (I only know her maternal side) is German, French, French Canadian and Irish. I wish I could determine from the tests what her father was. According to Ancestry.com I am 51% West African, 40% British Isles and 9% Uncertain. According to 23andMe I am 55% Sub-Saharan African, 43.5% European (27.7% Northern European, 0.3% Southern European and 20.5% Nonspecific European), 0.2% East Asian Native American and 1.3% Unassigned.

Below are the results of my K36 results from Gedmatch using my 23andMe Raw DNA:

Population:

Central_Euro 1.41%
East_African 4.13%
East_Asian 0.63%
East_Balkan 2.88%
East_Central_Euro 3.74%
Eastern_Euro 2.88%
Fennoscandian 6.20%
French 2.86%
Iberian 8.40%
Italian 2.19%
North_African 0.54%
North_Atlantic 4.51%
North_Sea 7.52%
Oceanian 0.15%
Omotic 1.41%
Pygmy 4.23%
Siberian 0.07%
South_Asian 0.47%
West_African 45.60%
West_Med 0.16%

Here are the results using my Ancestry.com raw DNA:

Population :

Central_Euro 1.08%
East_African 4.09%
East_Asian 0.65%
East_Balkan 3.16%
East_Central_Euro 3.82%
Eastern_Euro 2.86%
Fennoscandian 6.39%
French 2.81%
Iberian 7.95%
Italian 2.40%
North_African 0.76%
North_Atlantic 4.32%
North_Sea 7.64%
Oceanian 0.17%
Omotic 1.41%
Pygmy 4.20%
Siberian 0.06%
South_Asian 0.48%
West_African 45.53%
West_Med 0.19%

I was wondering if my DNA is indicative of my recent racial ancestry. Also what can I determine about the racial origins of my maternal grandfather there is a rumor that he was possibly Hispanic. Thanks for any help or inside you may further provide.

Tricia said...

I'm from the United States. Most of my ancestors appear to have been in the US for a very long time. There are a few migrants from Germany in the mid-1800s.

North_Sea  16.57%
North_Atlantic  15.53%
Iberian  11.88%
French  8.39%
Italian  7.80%
East_Central_Euro  6.50%
Fennoscandian  6.22%
Eastern_Euro  5.86%
Central_Euro  4.65%
West_Med 3.27%
Basque  2.42%
East_Balkan  1.87%
North_Caucasian  1.78%
Volga-Ural  1.55%
West_Caucasian  1.24%
South_Central_Asian  1.17%
Arabian  0.61%
East_Med  0.54%
Armenian  0.42%
Oceanian  0.39%
Amerindian  0.32%
Siberian  0.29%
South_Chinese  0.19%
Near_Eastern  0.18%
East_Asian  0.16%
Omotic  0.08%
Central_African  0.05%
East_Central_Asian  0.03%
South_Asian  0.03%
Pygmy  0.02%
North_African  0.01%

Ancestry.com has me at 80% Scandinavian, 13% British Isles and 7% Unknown. I started digging trying to prove my Native American roots that I've heard about my whole life. Does the Amerindian component prove that, or could that just be very ancient ancestry?

Davidski said...

You only have 0.32% Amerindian there, so that's too low to be real Amerindian ancestry.

Tricia said...

Thanks.

Justin DeWind said...

Paternal ancestry dates back to the mid 1500s in Essex, England. Deep roots are in the Near East. (1st/2nd century)

Maternal ancestry is bit fuzzier. But we do have Irish kin. However, our family has the tendency to be darker and we all tan quite well. On and off mixture of blue/brown eyes.


North_Sea 16.61%
Iberian 15.12%
Italian 10.66%
North_Atlantic 10.06%
Fennoscandian 9.59%
Central_Euro 5.92%
French 5.66%
East_Balkan 5.50%
East_Central_Euro 4.87%
Basque 4.48%
Eastern_Euro 3.52%
West_Med 2.64%
West_Caucasian 2.24%
Armenian 1.14%
South_Central_Asian 1.14%
North_Caucasian 0.86%

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